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SP61gTSupra
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Topic: MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION!! Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 4:40pm |
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SP61gTSupra
Team TRU Splash with me! Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Location: Greenville Online Status: Offline Posts: 2974 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 4:32pm | ||
Global Warming-Yes
Man Made Global Warming-Not really! The Earth is Ma**ive, and you believe what we have done in 100 measley years will effect how this planet will change, a planet that was here for billions of years! Imagine the size of your room, not very big huh? Now imagine the size of your room but make the ceiling 6 miles high! If you want to stop the change of our climate (like a mosquito swapping engine in your car) go kill a few million cows! Ever seen a cow in the wild? How many more cows do you think there are today as opposed to 200 years ago? Ever heard of warming periods? Ever heard of the ice age? |
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HanFei
Team KmA Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 798 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 4:07pm | ||
To add some numbers to this discussion. Year changes in upper left, while difference from mean changes in upper right.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/animations/a5_1881_2003_6fps.mp4 |
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TuNA FISh
Team QnL QnL Captain Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Location: Bham, Alabama Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 3:50pm | ||
we know global warming is natural, but i think the point is that we're speeding up the process. how could we not be speeding it up?
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
Godlike Member Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Location: McCalla, AL Online Status: Offline Posts: 831 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 3:46pm | ||
well I would hope we know more now than in the 70s considering technology has come light years.
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No pension to retire <_<
"They've got a name for the winners in the world...they call Alabama the Crimson Tide."-Steely Dan AKA: RollTideAlabama, Rage-of-ROLLTIDE, Fear-of-ROLLTIDE |
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COKKENBALLS
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 3:14pm | ||
The earth has been warming for 50 years? How do you explain the "global cooling" scare of the late 70's?
Also, the earth has come out of 7 previous ice ages. How did Exxon warm the earth on those occaisions?
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SilverJ-17
Godlike Member Silver Coinage Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Location: Western Indiana Online Status: Offline Posts: 1447 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 2:46pm | ||
I do admit that some of the benefits are worth it. The effects of turning off the lights and other stuff you're not using has shown up on the old energy bill, as have the effects of a big chunk of my lights being energy saver light bulbs. (I mainly got them because getting new bulbs every 3 or 4, if not 5/6 months, seems more likely to cost more than paying more for ones that are more likely to last 2-3 years.) I'm going with 2-3 instead of five, since five year bulbs probably don't last that long if you use them like I do, though I'm not sure how much more I use them than the next person. I just know that I probably have my lights on a bit longer than most people, even if you consider me turning them off when I'm not in the room, which I've been forgetting to do a little more, recently.
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
Godlike Member Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Location: McCalla, AL Online Status: Offline Posts: 831 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 2:26pm | ||
The everyday use of the word theory does not mean the same thing from the the word theory in science: Wikipedia
A theory, in the scientific sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of empirical observations. A scientific theory does two things:
With global warming, you have a theory in that the world is warming. The evidence is there no matter how you slice it (ice core sampling, the correlations of CO2 and temperature, etc.). The greenhouse effect is a natural phenomenon. It is why Venus is the hottest planet (its atmosphere is primarily CO2). It is also why the earth is a perfect temperature to support life. However, the equilibrium has been put into a tailspin because of the excess of CO2. The hypothesis is that man is much to blame for this excess CO2 (about 25 billion tons a year). And Cokk, nowhere did I say I didn't recycle because I do. I said recycling really is not as good as people make it out to be. It still takes energy (although less) to break down those recycled items into their components for reuse. It is good from the sense of keeping it out of landfills. But, the long term answer is finding cleaner ways to make energy. And as far as what Al Gore said, let me pose this question to you. God forbid you or a loved one is told you have some ailment and are given, say, 3 months to live. Are you going to do everything in your power to fight and live, or are you going to go home to die? My central idea has not waivered one bit. Even if this is crying wolf, the benefits of finding cleaner energy will pay for itself in the long run. Not even the most of critics can deny that. |
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LOL-i-ZER
Member Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Location: Old Orleans Online Status: Offline Posts: 68 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 1:12pm | ||
1) men produce CO². CO² is a gaz with warming affects. temperatures rose in the last 50 years faster than ever before (prooved by ice analysis). I see causes and effects here: it's sounds like a law, not a theory
2) I drive a Ford Focus 1.6 TDCI (diesel, French model), an American car. I can drive 60 miles with a gallon...with an American car!! How can you explain that you don't have that car in US ? there is a version( FORD SEDON or something like that), with a big engine, that use a lot of fuel. Why ? because American are big pigs that drive only big cars ! No, I don't think so. I've lived in the US and I know Americans people. There are like everybody: they have not completly the choice of their behaviour. How can they buy a "green" car if there are any for sale !
My AMERICAN FORD car use less fuel than the Toyota PRIUS! with no electric engine inside !! WHY ???!!
May be becaus eEXXON, is the biggest company in the world, with profits bigger than most country budget in the world. Of course they are not making any add or notes or anything else about global warming. But they do their best to be sure that the situation remains the same as long as possible. It's a kind of deny I think.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, the French TOTAL company, do the same. A french company developped 10 years ago a car that run 60 miles with air pressurized and half a liter of fuel.
Guess what ! no one cares. and everything has been done in order for this company not to sale any car. But it still exist.
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HanFei
Team KmA Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 798 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 11:34am | ||
1) Discrepancy? If it is not a theory, then is it a law? A scientific law must always apply under the same conditions, and implies a causal relationship between its elements. Climate Change models can't pa** these stringent conditions. 2) This is 1 of the 7 signs of pseudoscience - The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or work. [URL]http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2008/01/the_seven_signs_of_pseudoscien.php[/ULR] Can you show me 1 ad from either of these firms against anthropogenic climate change? |
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LOL-i-ZER
Member Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Location: Old Orleans Online Status: Offline Posts: 68 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 4:23am | ||
First: it is not a Theory: hundreds of reports and analyses proove that there is a global warming going on. Exxon , Total... and other companies like this try to make people doubt about it, for their own benefit. I work with a lot of scientist working on global warming. I can tell you that every 3 years, they are astonish to see that the changes have gone worst then the worst theory has predicted.
Second: you look to be a great person, as you do a lot in order to lower your environmental impact on earth. But I can tell you that the effect of man is huge on temperature. When we talk about global warming, people think about temperature rising up to 10 or 20 degrees. But its not the case. Keep in mind that the difference between ice age and now is just 2 or 3 degrees (average on the year long). 6 degrees it's the level of species extinction.
last: the proble of global warming, is that as always, the rich countries will not suffer much. Only the poors one will be destroyed. We pollute, they die. always the same story.
conclusion: I personnaly think it is too late for man kind. What we are curently observing is just the start phase of a very complicated process, that will drive the world to a major change. We have to be realistic: throughout the ages, Earth has changed dramaticly. lots of species have disappeared; new ones have rosen. Our time has come. I don't think I will see it, but I think my kids will.
tw: have you watched the movie "HOME" on youtube ? have a look, it's beautifull and interesting
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COKKENBALLS
Godlike Member Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Location: Here and there Online Status: Offline Posts: -998930 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 1:24am | ||
Didn't Al Gore say we already pa**ed the point of no return?
Rolltide, you say you don't recycle because it is essentially pointless. Why isn't your belief of the global warming folklore met with the same apathy?
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SilverJ-17
Godlike Member Silver Coinage Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Location: Western Indiana Online Status: Offline Posts: 1447 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 1:00am | ||
I don't necessarily totally believe in it, but I have taken some measures to recycling, turning off unused lights and appliances, etc.
However, if anything, I think the world might be getting close to a cool down, though this is mainly based on my observations of my state's weather. For us, as far as I know it, the last two or three summers have been kind of cool/ ended fairly early, or at least earlier than they have or I expect. I mean, look at July here. A big chunk of this year's July was in the lower 80's and 70's (We even had a few days that didn't even make it out of the 60's.), unlike a typical July in Indiana. Right now, we're 5-10 degrees below average and have had a lot days like that recently. Lol, maybe the Day After Tomorrow thing is starting to happen and by that, I mean the Global Warming (if it is indeed true) has reached it's peak and now, an (mini) ice age is about to happen. Btw, if something like the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" happened. It wouldn't be so instantaneous, like the movie. Movies about disasters are usually made to be far dramatic than it really would be. From what I've heard, it would take a decade or so, for something like this to come into full effect. |
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HanFei
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 6:40pm | ||
Your statement is accurate, if we add the following segment after destroyed: "in chemical reactions." Several nuclear processes destroy matter, converting it into energy - Fission, Spontaneous Fission, Fusion, and Annihilation. These do not violate the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, also called Law of Conservation of Energy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed only changed in form. http://www.saskschools.ca/curr_content/chem30_05/appendix/glossary.htm Regardless, you central point remains the same; CO2 is being created at an unprecedented scale, effectively accumulating in our atmosphere. Total CO2 emissions per day from all the coal fired power plants in India was 1.1 thousand tons per day in 1997-98 and annual emission has been computed to be 395 million tons. http://www.osc.edu/research/archive/pcrm/emissions/thermalemissions.shtml |
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HanFei
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 1:28pm | ||
The Energy Information Administration, a subgroup within the Department of Energy, has the following energy consumption projects.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/highlights.html Virtually every year, electrical consumption has increased, not only in the US, but across the globe. This trend that will continue to hold true as nations like India and China, having 37% of the world's population, demand energy consumption comparable to leading nations. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(population+of+india+%2B+population+of+china)%2F(population+of+world) |
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YINYANG
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 1:01pm | ||
maybe there will be a movement , but in all honestly its hard for me to get out of my comfort zone to actually do those extra little things daily to make the world less polluted
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 12:45pm | ||
Yingyqng you sort of prove my point that I am trying to get across to Cokk. We are all guilty. At the same time we are set in our ways of life. That's why I said the answer lies at the head of the snake. Only if changes are made at the energy level can things truly change. It's either that or start stepping on civil liberties. The true problem is out of the average Joe's hands. We can all do things willingly to slow the process but the fundamental problem goes unresolved. However, I do feel the drum beat for change is getting louder.
Cokk you make a good point b/c i could do more. We could do more. But unless we are all willing to go back to the stone age, fundamental changes must begin to take shape. Before you can walk you must crawl and the crawling part is changing the minds of those who don't think this is an issue. Only when people are on board with the idea can any ground be made. |
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YINYANG
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 12:07pm | ||
World is a dangerous place when the water levels will rise due to global warming. But im not scared of global warming as much as i am scared of war breaking out for fresh water. i honestly believe the next war will be over water and not oil =o. Adding to the debate i must say that i do not do my part in maintaining the environment in my city. I take the easy way out and most people around here drive huge f***ing trucks and we have oil production which adds to the problem. Im sorry but greed outweighs any morals set in place. The earth might get warmer , but the majority of people's attitudes are cold towards change (for the environment that is). |
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COKKENBALLS
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 9:02am | ||
I don't know, I just thought that with lives allegedly at stake, the "believers" would be doing more than carpooling and setting their A/C to 76 degrees.
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
Godlike Member Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Location: McCalla, AL Online Status: Offline Posts: 831 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 8:06am | ||
As I said above, all those small things i.e. turning off unused lights, keeping the AC on 76 in the summer, not taking necessary trips in the car if I can carpool with someone else. I told you that I recycle too last time, although recycling is not as good as everyone thinks. How am I being idle? I have a belief and I am telling it how it is. I am in school in hopes of getting a general biology degree so I can devote a career in some area of environmental research (not sure which area yet). The point as I stated is all these things only slow the process now. Most scientists think global warming is irreversible at this point. Until our government gets on board with the rest of the world and pledge to reduce carbon emissions what the hell else do you want me to do? Luckily the Bush error is over and I read how Obama is going to require the federal government to cut their carbon footprint. At this point, that's a great start. I know you are trying to paint me in that light of "sitting on my hands." Well good try.
Lets be realistic. We aren't going back to the horse and buggy era. All those small steps are good and all, but not everyone follows them because it isn't mandatory. The only solution is to go to the head of the snake and find new, cleaner ways of making energy. |
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COKKENBALLS
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 2:05am | ||
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COKKENBALLS
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 1:48am | ||
You're making my point. The only dangerous step is not take any. . .Pontification aside, if this is more than just a political message to you, why are you idle? Apparently there are lives at stake.
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 12:29am | ||
The only dangerous step is to not take any steps at all. Global warming is not just a United States problem...*deep breath* its global. Sorry but your statement sounds a bit selfish to me. Not to do anything because it may cause a slippery slope based on what your political agenda is? I'm sure the people in the Maldives will care when their islands are overtaken by the seas. What would Jesus do |
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No pension to retire <_<
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SRC_ROLLTIDE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 11:55pm | ||
Actually my response after I told you what those plastic numbers mean was that I do all that I can being a college student (limited funds..hell it would be fun to have a bio diesel car)....While I do admire your "environmental approach" and all your recycling efforts and such... lets remember the basis of the problem. All that recycling takes energy to convert. The form of energy we are using now is the problem. The bottom line is the problem must be hit head on from ENERGY not by if we are recycling the tops to our soda bottles. If anything that is contributing more to the problem. What is so wrong with wanting to have cleaner sources of energy? As I have said before suppose the hypothesis of global warming being caused by man is false....so what? The "side effects" of alternative energy are cleaner air, cleaner water and for you economic whores out there, not to mention the jobs it would bring with it. The point is the correlations are there, the evidence is alarming. For a vast majority of people, myself included, we can turn off the lights when we leave a room, turn the air up to 76, yada yada yada (which are good and all), but, until a REAL solution is allowed to pa** through all the red tape of government and the US gets on board with the Kyoto Protocol, we are only spinning our bio diesel truck in mud. Not to mention fossil fuels are finite. So yeah I am BLOGGING because my voice is being heard about this. If theories don't get you going how about an actual law...law of conservation of matter which says matter cannot be created or destroyed. Fact CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Fact burning fossil fuels releases CO2. So when we fire up the factory, all those byproducts (ie CO2) don't disappear into Bunnyland. Now of course the oceans and lands and plants take up a lot of this CO2 but then another law is encountered...the law of diffusion which deals with particles moving from areas of higher concentrations to lower concentrations. At some point the oceans and land have soaked up as much CO2 as physically possible. At that point all those billions of tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gases we put up there every day stay there. Equilibrium is reached with the earth and waters and the only thing occurring then is more and more CO2 being added. Of course Han Fei seems like more of the chemist here than I am so if I am wrong feel free to correct. If people can walk on the moon, a cleaner energy source can be found and utilized. |
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COKKENBALLS
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 11:40am | ||
Excellent point Fluffy.
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