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Originally posted by JPINATOR edit-delete, I'm not getting into this

Originally posted by JPINATOR so the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer?

this is a bit off topic.

Originally posted by HanFei Originally posted by Pinnacle Fundamental rights include only the following:   Right to equal protection under the law Right to Freedom of Thought Right to Free Speech and Press Right to Freedom of Association Right to Freedom of Movement Right to Marry Right to Privacy Right to Procreate Right to Vote in General Elections Right to Direct your own Child's Upbringing Right to Property Right to Bear Arms Right to Contract   Please tell me how insurance fits on this list. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights and all other laws are based on these fundamental right. Under this law, it is not even a "Right" to own insurance. It's mandatory to own insurance. That is fundamentally against our [constitution] and I expect the Supreme Court is going to declare this law [unconstitutional] on that ground alone. Also, this is the first time in America that the Federal Government is forcing someone to purchase a consumer product. Most have compared it to car insurance, which is also [mandatory] if you drive, however, under car insurance, you have a choice not to drive, thus it not being an entitlement or a forced consumer purchase. We don't have the choice to not live (since that is also illegal). [Therefore,] health insurance is a mandate to purchase a [consumer] product, not a right or [entitlement.] While drinking water is not in that list, we agree it is necessary for life. So too, will we all require medical care. To clarify, I'm under the strong impression that HR 3590, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, does not mandate purchasing health insurance. Rather, "If you don’t get health insurance, you’ll have to pay a tax penalty. An insurance-less person would have to pay whichever is greater: $695 for each uninsured family member, up to a maximum of $2,085; or 2.5 percent of household income. There are exceptions. Certain people with religious objections would not have to get health insurance. Nor would American Indians, illegal immigrants, or people in prison." - via csmonitor Since the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment (regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay) AND 55% of emergency care goes uncompensated, those who have insurance and/or pay their hospital bills are indirectly financing treatment of uncompensated emergency care. The degree to which this happens in the "pre-health insurance reform" system to be in conflict with the meritocratic paragraph at the end of the above quote. I believe greater contribution, via HR 3590, to a system we will all use and restrictions on select cost-reducing practices the market created (like the ones below) create a more just health care system. - lifetime and annual limits - ending rescissions - dropping coverage of the sick - not covering those with preexisting conditions Sources: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0319/Health-care-reform-bill-101-Who-must-buy-insurance http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932 http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/healthcare-overview#healthcare-menu http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/22/health-reform-bill-summary_n_508315.html#s75159

Originally posted by -DaGoN- What's it with you and your socks ?? It's a bit scary. :'D ;)

Originally posted by Pinnacle Fundamental rights include only the following:   Right to equal protection under the law Right to Freedom of Thought Right to Free Speech and Press Right to Freedom of Association Right to Freedom of Movement Right to Marry Right to Privacy Right to Procreate Right to Vote in General Elections Right to Direct your own Child's Upbringing Right to Property Right to Bear Arms Right to Contract   Please tell me how insurance fits on this list. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights and all other laws are based on these fundamental right. Under this law, it is not even a "Right" to own insurance. It's mandatory to own insurance. That is fundamentally against our [constitution] and I expect the Supreme Court is going to declare this law [unconstitutional] on that ground alone. Also, this is the first time in America that the Federal Government is forcing someone to purchase a consumer product. Most have compared it to car insurance, which is also [mandatory] if you drive, however, under car insurance, you have a choice not to drive, thus it not being an entitlement or a forced consumer purchase. We don't have the choice to not live (since that is also illegal). [Therefore,] health insurance is a mandate to purchase a [consumer] product, not a right or [entitlement.]

While drinking water is not in that list, we agree it is necessary for life. So too, will we all require medical care.

To clarify, I'm under the strong impression that HR 3590, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, does not mandate purchasing health insurance. Rather, "If you don’t get health insurance, you’ll have to pay a tax penalty. An insurance-less person would have to pay whichever is greater: $695 for each uninsured family member, up to a maximum of $2,085; or 2.5 percent of household income. There are exceptions. Certain people with religious objections would not have to get health insurance. Nor would American Indians, illegal immigrants, or people in prison." - via csmonitor


Since the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment (regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay) AND 55% of emergency care goes uncompensated, those who have insurance and/or pay their hospital bills are indirectly financing treatment of uncompensated emergency care. The degree to which this happens in the "pre-health insurance reform" system to be in conflict with the meritocratic paragraph at the end of the above quote.

I believe greater contribution, via HR 3590, to a system we will all use and restrictions on select cost-reducing practices the market created (like the ones below) create a more just health care system.
- lifetime and annual limits
- ending rescissions - dropping coverage of the sick
- not covering those with preexisting conditions

Sources:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0319/Health-care-reform-bill-101-Who-must-buy-insurance
http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932
http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/healthcare-overview#healthcare-menu
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/22/health-reform-bill-summary_n_508315.html#s75159

Nice Pinakul.

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Originally posted by HanFei Tiawian's health care system is at 9% of GDP and covers everyone, while the US is at 16% and does not. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89651916 There was a really cool TED talk about consciousness and the connectome today. http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian_seung.html yea but try'n to say that republicans are against healthcare reform is false. i'll check out the second one 4 sure.

Originally posted by HanFei Tiawian's health care system is at 9% of GDP and covers everyone, while the US is at 16% and does not. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89651916 There was a really cool TED talk about consciousness and the connectome today. http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian_seung.html

yea but try'n to say that republicans are against healthcare reform is false. i'll check out the second one 4 sure.

Media Matters? lmao there a joke! Hannity has been right about a lot of things about Obama but Hannity is too narrow minded.

what a bullsh1t ad on healthcare! its not even really worth commenting on but everything in it is distorted. throw a bunch of fake ideas in a fast moving vid and try to influence a few idiots. brilliant lol

Tim P. will be our next President :) dems. are about to get romped in November :) and some misleading progressive videos wont change that!

Originally posted by HanFei Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Do you know who Daniel Hannan is? He just wrote a book to warn Americans about the downfalls caused by socialism. he was in the British Parlament for years. Im going to buy his book and see what he has to say. In America (like many countries), we have a lot of socialism. Below, is a short clip of many of a handful of collective services that, although not integral, are incredibly valuable to the modern market and residents. Start @ 0:14

ideology added in that vid though? and even a stab at Fox news? if you want to debate something? lets just debate it.

the thing is though i just said i was going to see what Daniel Hannan has to say in his book, and you felt the need to become contrary? gotcha

yea some scientists are doing a diservice to science. Dagan was wrong about me being against science itself. im just against science being used improperly and theory's being taken as fact without proper proof.

It relates to CNN Groin lol and acually most of the US media. Bias and false teaching in Education is also a big part of the progressive strategy. Dagon just doesn't realise everything thats going on in science to try to discredit religion. and science shouldn't be used in any way! just give the rational facts and the truth without bias! Science is science so they shouldn't try to decieve anyone with it! but some of them do!

wiki the human brain and see if it uses evolution as if its already a fact. hell they even use a chimps brain for an illistration lol

there not try'n to give a certain impression there are they?