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Originally posted by warfare If you've been watching the news lately there has been an interesting development in the on-going drama of global warming. This ==> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html is just one article about the "Climate-gate" scandal.  If the hacked emails and documents are genuine,  and by all accounts so far they appear to be, then at the very least they show the unethical and thuggish instincts of some rather well respected scientists and the institutions they represent - including the much quoted IPCC ...

Originally posted by COKKENBALLS Is the earth really warming up? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

crossing my fingers there is something to this

Is the earth really warming up?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

is this one of those soupy Full House moments that make me feel gross? LOL yep yep agreed

*"believers,"

And the point I have been trying to make ever-so-gently is we need to change our energy sources.  I have never one time on here told you or anyone what they need to do or change about themselves.  It is not about forcing people to change but simply to change.  Look, I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist.  We aren't going back to the horse and buggy days.  We are too set in our ways now.  Fossil fuel was a great thing in 1910, 1950, and even 1990.  But technology has come too far to continue down a dead end road.  That has been my message the whole time.  Not to stop driving your car or anything like that. 

As far as my "action column" I see nothing in yours that is not in mine other than maybe the bio diesel truck.  I think the things you do and I do are good, but they are only a band aid over a festering sore.  I'll say it again, so what if global warming by chance is not as severe or as bad as most scientists think.  Can you think of one negative aspect of changing more to solar energy?  Or harvesting the wind?  It can be done.
I'm not a Congressman.  I do not make the laws.  But I'm using the most powerful tools I have and thats my voice and my pen.  For "real" change that is where you start. 

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Originally posted by COKKENBALLS Again, I remind everyone that if the global warming believers held their belief for reasons other than their political punditry, they would be doing more to save the lives they alledge are at risk.

Cokk I have no political agenda when it comes to global warming. The democrats are just as much to blame as are the republicans on the issue. I do have a problem when you try these subtle character attacks on me when you don't even know me.. I think I have made my point extremely clear and if you still do not understand, well I'm sorry. I don't know how to make it any clearer. At least I acknowledge the possibility of a problem and the consequences of doing nothing as opposed to turning away and not even attempting to contemplate if this is a problem. Therefore you are no better than the rest of us "global warmer believers".    

No need to worry, Glorious Leader Obama will soon pa** a law banning Bad Weather.

Originally posted by LOL-i-ZER Originally posted by SP61gTSupra   Hope you didnt buy that focus as a fuel saver in hopes to 'Save the Earth'! If you did, guess what, a small division of motorsports just consumed what you saved in 10 years! Millions of teenagers just got there first car! You essentially cut 1 blade of gra** in your yard, but 50 blades just grew in its place! Of course I did ! that was the family car with the lowest fuel consumption, and the lowest CO² emission 119g/km. And yes I agree, it's just a water drop effect in an ocean world. But think to that: it's that kind of water drop that is making the global warning: the behaviour of all single man on earth has an effect. So why can we try to make a change, individually? But you, the king of discussion we are having right know explain why I'm so pessimitic: the house is burning, and we are discussing if we should open the window because it's getting hard to breath !   here is a link   http://www.ipcc.ch/   that's the group that unite all the expert in the world, and that analyse all the study in the world on global warming (under United Nation, and World Meteorological Organisation supervision). Look at what they say. It's not me.   here is the last report:   http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/a**essment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

Lolizer,

Originally posted by SP61gTSupra   Hope you didnt buy that focus as a fuel saver in hopes to 'Save the Earth'! If you did, guess what, a small division of motorsports just consumed what you saved in 10 years! Millions of teenagers just got there first car! You essentially cut 1 blade of gra** in your yard, but 50 blades just grew in its place!

Originally posted by SP61gTSupra Global Warming-Yes Man Made Global Warming-Not really! The Earth is Ma**ive, and you believe what we have done in 100 measley years will effect how this planet will change, a planet that was here for billions of years! Imagine the size of your room, not very big huh? Now imagine the size of your room but make the ceiling 6 miles high! If you want to stop the change of our climate (like a mosquito swapping engine in your car) go kill a few million cows! Ever seen a cow in the wild? How many more cows do you think there are today as opposed to 200 years ago? Ever heard of warming periods? Ever heard of the ice age?

You make a good point with the cows.  The deforestation to hold these cows, not to mention the process just to get a hamburger at the local fast food takes so much energy (I'm guilty here).  100 years may not be that great on the time scale of Earth, but what you are seeing is the BEGINNING of something much larger.  Also when you take into account of all the space in the entire universe that life can live, Earth is pin-head.  Watch that Pale Blue Dot in this same section.

Originally posted by LOL-i-ZER Originally posted by COKKENBALLS Most of the people that support the theory (yes, it is a theory),    The effect man has on the earth's core temperature is about the same effect one fly landing in the Atlantic would have on ocean levels.   First: it is not a Theory: hundreds of reports and analyses proove that there is a global warming going on. Exxon , Total... and other companies like this try to make people doubt about it, for their own benefit. I work with a lot of scientist working on global warming. I can tell you that every 3 years, they are astonish to see that the changes have gone worst then the worst theory has predicted.   Second: you look to be a great person, as you do a lot in order to lower your environmental impact on earth.  But I can tell you that the effect of man is huge on temperature. When we talk about global warming, people think about temperature rising up to 10 or 20 degrees. But its not the case. Keep in mind that the difference between ice age and now is just 2 or 3 degrees (average on the year long). 6 degrees it's the level of species extinction.   last: the proble of global warming, is that as always, the rich countries will not suffer much. Only the poors one will be destroyed. We pollute, they die. always the same story.   conclusion: I personnaly think it is too late for man kind. What we are curently observing is just the start phase of a very complicated process, that will drive the world to a major change. We have to be realistic: throughout the ages, Earth has changed dramaticly. lots of species have disappeared; new ones have rosen. Our time has come. I don't think I will see it, but I think my kids will.   tw: have you watched the movie "HOME" on youtube ? have a look, it's beautifull and interesting

Lolizer you're being far too pessimistic.  Even IF the earth were to heat up such that most of the population were to die off,  then wouldn't this so-called man-made global warming stop?!? You say the poor countries are done for, well that's a pretty sizable chunk of the earth's population.  Therefore, most of these pesky humans will be gone (according to your doomsday scenario) and presto no more man-made global warming.

Originally posted by SP61gTSupra The Earth is Ma**ive

45.01 people per square kilometer on the earth, using a 2007 estimate.  
The earth is not as ma**ive as you think....

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+world%2F148%2C300%2C000+square+kilometers
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/DanielChen.shtml