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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Topic: Greatest Heavyweight Boxer Ever? Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:23pm |
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ppl like Berbick, Spinks and Tyrell Biggs? They hardly measure up to Foreman, Frazier and Holmes. Tyson was a sweet fighter dont get me wrong. Great hand speed and agility, he had a tight defence that allowed him to get up close and was able to deliver brutal hooks and upper cuts with great precision. He was fearless, hit him and he grinned a real psycho, old skool style dress and mentality that seem to beat opponents before he threw a punch - he was 'truly awesome'. But he fought in an era when the division was in decline. Ali might have said that about Tyson but believe me if they ever met he would have said the opposite. His words would have beaten Tyson, who wasn't equipped to handle a smart boxer. His talent, style and adaptability in the ring (something Tyson never had, he was well drilled) makes him a clear winner imo. Come on, most ppl only remember James Buster Douglas and Holyfield as fighters on Tysons record. A fight with a heavyweight of true quality, like Ridd*** Bowe would have stretched him.
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Supreme_Venom
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 6:43am | ||
You should do politics or something.. You would get my vote!
And yah about that interview.. they were just messing around.. they were both being modest.
I have to say it's a shame tho about tyson, because I'm a big fan of him as well. After his trainer died, things went bad for him, you could clearly see the lust, the "eye of the tiger" if you will, drained from him.
If you watch Ali the movie or When We Were Kings, you understand why Ali is the greatest.
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 7:14am | ||
Lol...tnx mate, I'm very political but no radical in real life 2. I am a fan of Tyson too, no denying Iron Mike's pure boxing talents. Cus D'amato (chk spelling) did a lot for him and when he died Tyson couldn't be controlled BUT he was naive and many people manipulated him. He was fearless and had a raw aggression that other fighters could smell. Tyson I suspect would have fought for nothing but glory and violence. The career fighters he met were in it for money mainly. If you watch Ali's fights and analyse his career post 60s u see hungry men like Tyson - generally hard cases. Below these guys were seasoned vets like Ernie Shavers, a young Larry Holmes and Leon Spinks. Tyson wouldnt have been out of his depth with them but would he beat Holmes or Foreman? I doubt it. great but limited, easily frustrated, ill-disciplined thats Tyson. Ali? say what u like but he was smart, courageous, adaptable and immensely talented - he always had a plan. Im glad 2 see so many boxing fans here tho. You should do Manny vs Mayweather next! Or greatest middle weight of all - but dont ask me
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 3:33pm | ||
lol Ali is overrated... Tyson would have knocked him out quick. you can't compare boxers who boxed over 40 years ago to Tyson... plus, i don't see any boxers being as "hungry" as Tyson.
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OneMan1Army
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 3:35pm | ||
What!!! No Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis and Riddi c k Bowe!? These three boxers deserve to be in that poll.
As for the best Heavyweight fighter of all-time, it hard to choose. Muhammad Ali had speed & ring smart. He also fought very competitive foes in his career (Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, etc). Rocky Marciano was the first Heavyweight fighter ever to go 49 -0, yet his opponents wasn't a real challenge. Mike Tyson was the youngest Heavyweight fighter to earn a title belt at age 20 due to knocking his opponents out in round 1 - 4. His speed, agility & power was like no other. If you look at his KO's percentage, he have the best one (44 out of 50 KO's). Also, he had good opponents (the only one I can think of is Holyfield). Joe Louis was is the only fighter (so far) to defend 25 title fights. The man work very hard and took boxing real serious. From my opinion, it's either Mike Tyson or Joe Louis. Im sorry but Muhammad Ali isn't the Greatest of All Time. |
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Supreme_Venom
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 4:47pm | ||
Just watch Ali movie and When We Were Kings, everything will become clear to you ;)
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2010 at 4:54pm | ||
i watched about 40 minutes of Ali a few months ago and hated it.. i'll look into it again though
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2010 at 9:39pm | ||
You guys have to rethink.
Muhammad Ali played as a very smart fighter. He wore out the fighters he was against, and then knocked them out. I do think Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson would be the fight for the ages, though. |
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Supreme_Venom
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2010 at 6:07am | ||
Yah and plus, I have never seen any other fighter being able to take that many hits and keep going and still have strenght and agility to knock his opponent out. The fights vs. George Foreman and Joe Frazier are prime examples of that. |
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misfit44
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2010 at 11:45pm | ||
mike tyson was probability the best there was.
but everyone my dad's and grand father's age like Jack dempsey because he use 2 box where i'm from here is a mural on the building here where he used 2 fight at. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 12:54pm | ||
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 3:42pm | ||
Just who did Iron Mike actually beat? When it counted he didnt have the mental resolve to stay the course. Any of my top 10 could have beaten him.
Yes Tyson was not as hungry when he returned to boxing but that didnt seem to be a problem for Ali, Louis, Marciano, Patterson or Lewis. Marciano would have chewed Tyson up, Louis would have been too skillful for him, Holmes too. Ali too smart, Lewis too cute and too much reach. Foreman too powerful, Patterson would have known what was coming after all Cus D'mato was his manager too so no walk over there. Fraizer would have been made for Tyson but he had a bull's heart. Johnson might have upset Tyson with his style and natural height/reach advantage. C'mon guys clear your heads, its smelling salts time! |
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:43pm | ||
i would say that mike and ali are in the top 5.. and i still think Mike would have knocked Ali out.. if you want to know who Tyson beat, go to his wiki page. there is a whole list of them there. i still think Lennox Lewis should be ranked higher!
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:47pm | ||
lol at foreman being too powerful. tyson would have knocked his grill ass out too. i'm not even going to comment on the others.
edit: you can't really say anything about someone having more "reach" or "height" than mike tyson since he was knocking people out who were way taller than him.
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Supreme_Venom
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:50pm | ||
I love it when you talk dirty and tell it how it is!
Ali quote;
"You know I’m bad.
just last week, I murdered a rock, Injured a stone, Hospitalized a brick. I’m so mean, I make medicine sick." But my top 3 will remain as 1. Ali 2. Foreman 3. Mikey. Because those 3 had the most impact on me with their fights.
The fight in africa was pure epic... the fight looked like a movie. And the way he knocked Foreman down was beautiful. He could have thrown another few punches to make sure he stayd down, but in that glorifying moment he just kept looking him in the eyes while he spiraled down to the floor.
Also I can see why people would vote for Mike Tyson, Al these great fighters like Ali, Foreman, Joe etc. etc. were champions and had their glory way before most of us were even born.
Most of us witnessed Tysons glory in our childhood times when we were alive.
I used to think Tyson was the best to, until my friend showed me what fighters like Ali did and the evidence is overwhelming, to deny that Ali is the greatest is pretty gay.. he predicted the round you went down.
Ow and btw, George Foreman destroyed punching bags with gloves + the ones that didn´t got destroyed he left a crater in as the size of half a watermelon.
Now how's that for power?
And Ali was able to take all those power hits from Foreman in his prime while Ali was way over his.
I can guarantee that Ali & George Foreman Grill would beat Tyson. I would put all my money on it.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 7:04pm | ||
no butterbean that dude was the **** |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2010 at 7:09pm | ||
That fat mutha f*cka! Naw Z! You got it twisted homie. Lol. jk |
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 6:00am | ||
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 11:21am | ||
It's not a clixhe if its true, I looked fairly to both mikey and ali in a neutral way, and I concluded that Ali is better. Sure even I think Mike Tyson has definitely a good chance of knocking ali and foreman down, but the odds are much greater that mikey would be the one going down.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:27pm | ||
Ali had the highest caliber of competition in the history of heavyweight boxing. Tyson had mostly low caliber competition. Ali was way too skillful and savvy to lose to a dope like Tyson. Heck, even Evander Holyfield put a beating on Tyson and we all know what Tyson had to resort to in that one.
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aceoblivion
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:46pm | ||
Ali all the way. Tyson was nothing. The only reason anyone votes for Tyson is because he's the only one that was around for you kids to remember.
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Supreme_Venom
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 4:37pm | ||
Evander Holyfield is a fn beast. He reminds me of a black Sagat from Street Fighter with a mustache.
+1
But I wouldn't downgrade Tyson. Allot of people seem to either love him or hate him. You need to properly recognise his skills. He's an amazing fighter.. and if his trainer wouldn't have died I might say he could have won the fight vs. Holyfield.
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aceoblivion
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:18pm | ||
I'm not putting down Tysons skills, it's just he was a brawler, not a boxer. I've fought many people just like him in many a barroom brawl or organized street fights. Ali had the brain power to beat anyone put in front of him.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:21pm | ||
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:55pm | ||
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