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Slavery condoned by bible:
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Okay, thank God for doctors to heal the ailments that God himself give them?  That's where it starts to fall apart!!!
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why does he need to thank God for doctors? makes no sense..

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lunchy, why should Christians be against docotors?
God heals, but he can also heal through the hands of a doctor.
the media brings up those wackos who dont want help.
thank God 4 doctors,
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Originally posted by TuNA FISh

one of the coolest things ever was when Miyamoto Musashi was walking to a duel he knew he was probably not going to walk away from. he stopped by a Buddha shrine to pray and right before he rang the bell to start praying he stopped himself and realized that it was dumb to rely on God. he realized that the only person he could rely on was himself.. he walked to the spot he was going to duel 2 hours early because he knew he was going to be ambushed and fought a dozen samurai head on and actually killed a few and escaped. he was surrounded on all sides by samurai who were trying to kill him yet he still lived. i think he was like 18 or 19 years old. amazing he fought in over 60 duels to the death and never lost.


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one of the coolest things ever was when Miyamoto Musashi was walking to a duel he knew he was probably not going to walk away from. he stopped by a Buddha shrine to pray and right before he rang the bell to start praying he stopped himself and realized that it was dumb to rely on God. he realized that the only person he could rely on was himself.. he walked to the spot he was going to duel 2 hours early because he knew he was going to be ambushed and fought a dozen samurai head on and actually killed a few and escaped. he was surrounded on all sides by samurai who were trying to kill him yet he still lived. i think he was like 18 or 19 years old. amazing
he fought in over 60 duels to the death and never lost.

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The biggest hypocrite is a Christian on their death bed.  Tell them they are going to die without treatment, they get the treatment.  Because at the end of the day, you only really care about living, and all the God nonsense goes right out the bloody window.    Now a tru believer would want to die and go to heaven "maybe".  It's fun to watch.  I also love hearing preachers ask god for help for cancer patients.  It's kinda like the tire company putting nails out infront of their store!  
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this thread is proof that there's more chance of pigs falling from the sky than a reasoned intellectual debate on iamgaming, lol
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Originally posted by Deadaim

Originally posted by BuMrUsH

Originally posted by Deadaim


if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)
Im confused. I don't know what to believe. Everyone is different. I fear what scares me. And so far, it's been death. I ask for help and show me my path, but the future is a blur. The past is clear for me.


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<FONT style=": #000000">is that off the new drake album? j/k


Nah, it's fresh of my heart.
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by HanFei

Below is the problem of evil:

If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
Evil exists.
If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.
That makes absolutely no sense man. The answer lies with the concept of FREE WILL and misunderstanding
of it. Free will is the most loving act of all and God is all love. We
know that forced love is not real love. It's like forcing someone to
marry someone at the altar. Now, is that real love? Of course it isn't.

So
now let's go back to the answer. In order for God to stop all evil, he
would have to interfere with one's own will. What if someone wanted to
commit murder by their own free will? If God stopped them, He would then
be violating His own love for us and His gift of Free Will. Let's take
it a step back further- which evil then should God stop: some of it or
all of it? Evil is evil no matter what shape, form, or degree including
an evil thought. Evil actions are born from evil thoughts. In order for
evil to not exist, God would have to program our minds to never think
evil and remove our freedom of thought. Essentially we would be nothing
more that robots with only one choice available: to make the right
choice only! But once again, that wouldn't make us humans and that would
not be authentic love. If you cause someone to make a specific choice
than that choice is no longer free. God loved us so much that he gave us
a choice to love Him back or not, to believe Him so or not.


Yes, this first counter only explains evil derived from human action. However, there are still unaccounted natural acts of evil like hurricanes, earthquakes, viruses etcetera that cannot if exist with the biblical definition of god, as shown above. We can add a second counter wherein such evils are the result of other superhuman beings with free will like Satan and his legions.

I think it much more practical to assume microbial infection, volcanoes and damaging weather are the result of causal interactions not the devil or some comparable being(s).
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what is sin?
separation from God
what does sin produce? DEATH
disease leads to what?
DEATH
earthquakes lead to what?
DEATH
and it goes on
you cant blame God for anything.
he didnt cause the problem but he provided a free solution.
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Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...
would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?

I agree.
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Originally posted by BuMrUsH

Originally posted by Deadaim

if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)



Im confused. I don't know what to believe. Everyone is different. I fear what scares me. And so far, it's been death. I ask for help and show me my path, but the future is a blur. The past is clear for me.
 
is that off the new drake album? j/k
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Originally posted by Deadaim

if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)



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god gave mother earth free will aswell ;)

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Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by HanFei

Below is the problem of evil:

If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
Evil exists.
If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.
That makes absolutely no sense man. The answer lies with the concept of FREE WILL and misunderstanding
of it. Free will is the most loving act of all and God is all love. We
know that forced love is not real love. It's like forcing someone to
marry someone at the altar. Now, is that real love? Of course it isn't.

So
now let's go back to the answer. In order for God to stop all evil, he
would have to interfere with one's own will. What if someone wanted to
commit murder by their own free will? If God stopped them, He would then
be violating His own love for us and His gift of Free Will. Let's take
it a step back further- which evil then should God stop: some of it or
all of it? Evil is evil no matter what shape, form, or degree including
an evil thought. Evil actions are born from evil thoughts. In order for
evil to not exist, God would have to program our minds to never think
evil and remove our freedom of thought. Essentially we would be nothing
more that robots with only one choice available: to make the right
choice only! But once again, that wouldn't make us humans and that would
not be authentic love. If you cause someone to make a specific choice
than that choice is no longer free. God loved us so much that he gave us
a choice to love Him back or not, to believe Him so or not.


Yes, this first counter only explains evil derived from human action. However, there are still unaccounted natural acts of evil like hurricanes, earthquakes, viruses etcetera that cannot if exist with the biblical definition of god, as shown above. We can add a second counter wherein such evils are the result of other superhuman beings with free will like Satan and his legions.

I think it much more practical to assume microbial infection, volcanoes and damaging weather are the result of causal interactions not the devil or some comparable being(s).
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Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by TuNA FISh

syzygy, did you even watch the video?                                                       king_eternal, dont know if you were quoting me because i'm on my cell phone but i hope not. everything you said made no sense and you have no way to back it up except saying "have faith" so dont act like you know. you and syzygy keep saying the same thing over and over.
obviously if your name isn't in that white square that says quote then I wasn't talking to u. The whole have faith thing was me agree with paw so don't try call me out tuna boy.


yeah well on my phone i cant tell who's being quoted half the time kingy boy. i wasnt even calling you out, i just disagreed with you
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if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k

everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)
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exactly the Bible isnt a history book.
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Originally posted by Deadaim

wait that picture is what you refer to as proof? how can you prove thats background radiation left over from the big bang?

even scientist bicker with eachother, barely anything in the world of science is universally accepted, with so called scholars being on completely opposite sides of the spectrum of the arguement.
 
believing everything you read in a science book is no better or diffrent then believing whats in the bible. you are still going on something you cant prove yourself, and most scientific experiments are such small scaled and involve so many assumptions you have to be kidding me if you consider stuff like that unrefutable.
 
but imo science can exist with christianity.. neither disproves the other.. i find it funny though that scifi atheists will believe in aliens that we have no proof exists.. but laugh at the thought of god existing.
 
bah anyhow, enjoy your free will :)


I will say this again, I don't just take everything I read as fact. I will read it, whether it be a science book or anything else, and then see what other people in that particular field have to say about it and then base my decision on all of those factors. As far as the picture, did you bother to read up on it? If so you would have already answered your own questions about it. And what the hell do you mean I can't prove something myself? Science is predicated upon testable material. If you can't test something, then it can't be scientifically studied. Scientists don't just throw theories out there and hope people choose to believe it. Every promising new theory is critically tested by an army of their peers, and trust me when I tell you that they study and test the hell out of it.

Aliens are certainly a hell of a lot more plausible to exist within our own vast universe than a supernatural being that supposedly exists outside of our own reality. You can't seriously tell me that God is more likely to exist in our own natural order than aliens. We have found multiple habitats in our own solar system that could possibly harbor life, we just don't have the technology to confirm it yet. And don't come on here and ask me what proof I have of that, look it the f*** up. You can try the Cassini space probe for starters.

Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but it's working towards giving humans a better understanding of the world around them. "Nothing is more fateful to the progress of the human mind than to presume that our veiws of science are ultimate, that our triumphs are complete, that there are no mysteries in nature, and that there are no new worlds to conquer."- Humphrey Davy
 
my point wasnt that science is a joke, its that everything is refutable, even science.. if you dont believe that then you have issues.
 
like i said, many scientists in these debates can argue from the exact opposite spectrums of eachother, both backed with scientific data.. i took chemistry and physics in highschool and learned alot about this stuff.. im not some anti science person and when a theory can be proven over and over i agree with it.. but i dont just believe spaceships are measuring dark matter and energy and what not from millions of years ago because some kooky scientist came up with some formula.(not even talking about WMAP specifically.. im talking about science in general.. if i believed everything someone said without being able to prove it myself [LITTERALLY DOING THE TESTS etc MYSELF] then i would be a jackass, i find it amazing atheists can doubt so much about god because they dont have proof.. but anything a scientist that is MUCH smarter then them says they believe without having the knoweldge to prove it themselves)
 
your last quote.. is exactly my point.. you guys act like our views on science are ultimate, or unrefutable.. and i dont think thats true.
 
as far as aliens.. to me believing an aliens and not believing in god is just ridiculous.. their is no more proof for one then their is the other... and the fact you can make an arguement for aliens existing and be atheist at the same time is hypocritical.
 
anyhow this is a quick response at work.. not some thought out deeply researched response.. i dont have time for all that
 
and for the record, i acctually do believe in the big bang theory, and the possibility of aliens. and that non believers arent condemmed to hell.
 
you can believe in those things and believe in god.. none of them disprove god.
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Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...

would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?
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science is backed with facts by the most brilliant minds in the world.
 
no its not.. most of science is theories.. and most of it is debated by those same minds..
 
 
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wait that picture is what you refer to as proof? how can you prove thats background radiation left over from the big bang?

even scientist bicker with eachother, barely anything in the world of science is universally accepted, with so called scholars being on completely opposite sides of the spectrum of the arguement.
 
believing everything you read in a science book is no better or diffrent then believing whats in the bible. you are still going on something you cant prove yourself, and most scientific experiments are such small scaled and involve so many assumptions you have to be kidding me if you consider stuff like that unrefutable.
 
but imo science can exist with christianity.. neither disproves the other.. i find it funny though that scifi atheists will believe in aliens that we have no proof exists.. but laugh at the thought of god existing.
 
bah anyhow, enjoy your free will :)


I will say this again, I don't just take everything I read as fact. I will read it, whether it be a science book or anything else, and then see what other people in that particular field have to say about it and then base my decision on all of those factors. As far as the picture, did you bother to read up on it? If so you would have already answered your own questions about it. And what the hell do you mean I can't prove something myself? Science is predicated upon testable material. If you can't test something, then it can't be scientifically studied. Scientists don't just throw theories out there and hope people choose to believe it. Every promising new theory is critically tested by an army of their peers, and trust me when I tell you that they study and test the hell out of it.

Aliens are certainly a hell of a lot more plausible to exist within our own vast universe than a supernatural being that supposedly exists outside of our own reality. You can't seriously tell me that God is more likely to exist in our own natural order than aliens. We have found multiple habitats in our own solar system that could possibly harbor life, we just don't have the technology to confirm it yet. And don't come on here and ask me what proof I have of that, look it the f*** up. You can try the Cassini space probe for starters.

Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but it's working towards giving humans a better understanding of the world around them. "Nothing is more fateful to the progress of the human mind than to presume that our veiws of science are ultimate, that our triumphs are complete, that there are no mysteries in nature, and that there are no new worlds to conquer."- Humphrey Davy
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syzygy, did you even watch the video?                                                       king_eternal, dont know if you were quoting me because i'm on my cell phone but i hope not. everything you said made no sense and you have no way to back it up except saying "have faith" so dont act like you know. you and syzygy keep saying the same thing over and over.


obviously if your name isn't in that white square that says quote then I wasn't talking to u. The whole have faith thing was me agree with paw so don't try call me out tuna boy.
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