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    Posted: 09 Aug 2010 at 4:51pm
why not just pull all of our troops out of everywhere and just say your on your own? stop sending billions in aid? we can use all that money here right?

why not become isolationists and secure our borders and let the rest of the world be dog eat dog?

lol i can just hear other country's screaming NO DON'T DO THAT!!!!! xD

you'd see evil rear its head if that happened! believe that!
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we'll be in africa soon enough :/ but for the wrong reasons.
 
i rather our soldiers go where they are wanted not where they are tolerated/hated. (in terms of majority)
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on the spot my azz! he don't know jack sh!t! the dude is a walking talking progressive fn moron! he assumes to know sh!t that he can't know unless he was in Bush's fn administration! now there's you a fn FACT! since he likes to use that word so fn much!

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oh and btw.. we focused on iraq not because of their location.. but because they were attacking other countries.. and their threatening war on israel didnt help
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lol dude, Iraq attacked Kuwait in the early 90s. the whole reason why Iraq attacked Kuwait was because Iraq claimed Kuwait was drilling for oil at an angle and tapping into Iraq's natural recources. did you not read one of my earlier posts? we are trying to turn the middle east democratic and it's pretty obvious.. i mean the united states has already admitted to wrongly invading Iraq and tried to make it out like they were liberating the people which we weren't. the reason why we took Iraq is because it's dead in the center and is one of the main countries in the middle east. do you know what's going on in the world, deadaim? you must listen to Fox because your views are definitely distorted! don't type "Iraq" in wiki and try to understand what's going on, listen to NPR or do some research on the internet.
it's all strategy! we are so depended on oil that we have to do this to make sure we survive. we need to learn how to harness more energy from our sun because we would never use oil again if we could figure it out
 
are you kidding dude? first off ive been following all of this long before you were old enough to understand anything.
 
second off i dont watch fox news.. why is it every liberal douche brings up fox news.. they are no worse then the liberal media.
 
and lastly just because you have some ultra liberal douche professor telling you exactly how to think doesnt make it right.
 
and yes you are right about the democratizing the middle east.. thats a byproduct of any military attack anywhere from any country.. if china attacked japan they sure as hell would be making them communist
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actually that has nothing to do with why we went to Iraq. we went to Iraq because we claimed they had weapons of mass destruction which they didn't. Suddam was executed for the killing of 300 Kurds which happened in 1983 under Reagan and we knew what was going on and did nothing about it. that was just a lame excuse to get him out of the way. Iraq hadn't been to war with Iran since the 80s btw. we literally told Suddam that if he didn't leave the country we were going to invade. did you know that the united states were the ones who PUT Suddam in power? i just heard on NPR earlier today that the president of Iraq apparently claimed that he couldn't give women in Iraq their rights but he was going to try and make sure they stay alive.. sounds to me like nothing is going to change when it comes to human rights in Iraq. 
there are other countries who needed our help way more than Iraq. ever heard of the Congo? there is a f***ing genocide going on there and we are doing NOTHING to stop it. do you know why? because it won't benefit us at all. you see taking Iraq from Suddam benefits us a lot.. what about North Korea? Cuba? the list goes on
On the spot again Tuna... The swedish inspector ( Hans Blix, edit..) said that Irak didnt have mass destr. weapon....
This was a big isue here in Norway cos we sent soldiers also...
On the wrong premesis.
A Part from the "oilpeak" scam, thare is something USA is interested in... But i dunno what. It was NOT mass dest. weapon, thats for sure.
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lol dude, Iraq attacked Kuwait in the early 90s. the whole reason why Iraq attacked Kuwait was because Iraq claimed Kuwait was drilling for oil at an angle and tapping into Iraq's natural recources. did you not read one of my earlier posts? we are trying to turn the middle east democratic and it's pretty obvious.. i mean the united states has already admitted to wrongly invading Iraq and tried to make it out like they were liberating the people which we weren't. the reason why we took Iraq is because it's dead in the center and is one of the main countries in the middle east. do you know what's going on in the world, deadaim? you must listen to Fox because your views are definitely distorted! don't type "Iraq" in wiki and try to understand what's going on, listen to NPR or do some research on the internet.
it's all strategy! we are so depended on oil that we have to do this to make sure we survive. we need to learn how to harness more energy from our sun because we would never use oil again if we could figure it out
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how are we benefiting from iraq? they have alot of intel people that monitor this stuff.. the only way we benefited from attacking iraq opposed to say congo is the fact that congo is no threat to america, where as iraq and the middle east was becoming an overwhelming threat to us as a place to harbor terroists and possibly mfg weapons of mass destruction. and i said it was iran or saudia arabia, and it acctually was kuwait. i had one of my parents over there for atleast a year during that time, but i was only like 10.. most of you were like not born yet.

of course their are human rights issues all over the world, we have alot of stuff going on in africa but as countries become more modernized like iraq was the human rights issues become more of an issue because that crazy idealogy can go much further then their borders.. hence iraq attacking every country within its reach in the past 20 or so years.
 
do you think the USA is getting iraqi oil? the iraqis are getting millions if not billions from us, and they are getting all their oil money. you tinfoil hat wierdos that think we blew up wtc and the pentagon to go get oil are just f'ing idiots.. opec and all those countries have complete control of their oil.
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well the ends justifies the means may apply in Iraq's case, but im talking about the truth behind our invading them in the first place. what was the real reason? maybe there were national security or economical reasons that are being kept from the public? oil is very important to our economy atm, but i don't think it was oil! hell look how much that war has cost us.

the 911 attack hurt our econemy real bad, thats another reason it wouldn't make since for it to have been done by us!
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actually that has nothing to do with why we went to Iraq. we went to Iraq because we claimed they had weapons of mass destruction which they didn't. Suddam was executed for the killing of 300 Kurds which happened in 1983 under Reagan and we knew what was going on and did nothing about it. that was just a lame excuse to get him out of the way. Iraq hadn't been to war with Iran since the 80s btw. we literally told Suddam that if he didn't leave the country we were going to invade. did you know that the united states were the ones who PUT Suddam in power? i just heard on NPR earlier today that the president of Iraq apparently claimed that he couldn't give women in Iraq their rights but he was going to try and make sure they stay alive.. sounds to me like nothing is going to change when it comes to human rights in Iraq. 
there are other countries who needed our help way more than Iraq. ever heard of the Congo? there is a f***ing genocide going on there and we are doing NOTHING to stop it. do you know why? because it won't benefit us at all. you see taking Iraq from Suddam benefits us a lot.. what about North Korea? Cuba? the list goes on
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acctually.. in a way that is the reason we went to war with iraq.. they wouldnt of been in our crosshairs since the early 90's if they didnt have so many horror stories of human rights violations.
 
i think they also attacked saudia arabia or iran at the time, which was another reason the whole thing started.. but if they were a country with a fair government for all the people and not a violent dictatorship they would of never been at war with america.
 
 
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but the US didn't go to war with Iraq over human rights violations imo.

JUSTIFY and JUSTIFIED are two of the most important words there are! its very hard to ever justify killing anyone no matter what the reason!

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does *thou shalt not kill* have exceptions? < that question is so dam hard to answer! trust and believe in GOD is the what i think the answer is! so i say it has no exceptions! of all the commandments its the one i'll make dam sure i obey!

but i sure in the hell will never judge our soldiers or look on them in a negative way! im only human so they'll always be Brave and honorable in my eyes!

even if i disagree with the policy and the reason there fighting in the first place!



    





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why iraq? because all crazy dictator govt's that offer zero human rights deserve to die.

Documented human rights violations 1979-2003

Human rights organizations have documented government-approved executions, acts of torture, and **** for decades since Saddam Hussein came to power in 1979 until his fall in 2003.

  • In 2002, a resolution sponsored by the European Union was adopted by the Commission for Human Rights, which stated that there had been no improvement in the human rights crisis in Iraq. The statement condemned President Saddam Hussein's government for its "systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and international humanitarian law". The resolution demanded that Iraq immediately put an end to its "summary and arbitrary executions... the use of **** as a political tool and all enforced and involuntary disappearances". [1]
  • Full political participation at the national level was restricted only to members of the Arab Ba'ath Party, which constituted only 8% of the population. Therefore, it was impossible for Iraqi citizens to change their government.
  • Iraqi citizens were not allowed to assemble legally unless it was to express support for the government. The Iraqi government controlled the establishment of political parties, regulated their internal affairs and monitored their activities.
  • Police checkpoints on Iraq's roads and highways prevented ordinary citizens from traveling abroad without government permission and expensive exit visas. Before traveling, an Iraqi citizen had to post collateral. Iraqi women could not travel outside of the country without the escort of a male relative.
  • The activities of citizens living inside Iraq who received money from relatives abroad were closely monitored.
  • Al-Anfal Campaign: In 1988, the Hussein regime began a campaign of extermination against the Kurdish people living in Northern Iraq. This is known as the Anfal campaign. The campaign was mostly directed at Shiite kurds (Faili Kurds) who sided with Iranians during the Iraq-Iran War. The attacks resulted in the death of at least 50,000 (some reports estimate as many as 100,000 people), many of them women and children. A team of Human Rights Watch investigators determined, after analyzing eighteen tons of captured Iraqi documents, testing soil samples and carrying out interviews with more than 350 witnesses, that the attacks on the Kurdish people were characterized by gross violations of human rights, including mass executions and disappearances of many tens of thousands of noncombatants, widespread use of chemical weapons including Sarin, mustard gas and nerve agents that killed thousands, the arbitrary imprisoning of tens of thousands of women, children, and elderly people for months in conditions of extreme deprivation, forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of villagers after the demolition of their homes, and the wholesale destruction of nearly two thousand villages along with their schools, mosques, farms, and power stations.[2][3]
  • In April 1991, after Saddam lost control of Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War, he cracked down ruthlessly against several uprisings in the Kurdish north and the Shia south. His forces committed wholesale massacres and other gross human rights violations against both groups similar to the violations mentioned before. Estimates of deaths during that time range from 20,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites.[4]
  • Also in April 2003, CNN revealed that it had withheld information about Iraq torturing journalists and Iraqi citizens in the 1990s. According to CNN's chief news executive, the channel had been concerned for the safety not only of its own staff, but also of Iraqi sources and informants, who could expect punishment for speaking freely to reporters. Also according to the executive, "other news organizations were in the same bind."[6]
  • After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, several mass graves were found in Iraq containing several thousand bodies total, and more are being uncovered to this day[citation needed]. While most of the dead in the graves were believed to have died in the 1991 uprising against Saddam Hussein, some of them appeared to have died due to executions or died at times other than the 1991 rebellion.
  • Also after the invasion, numerous torture centers were found in security offices and police stations throughout Iraq. The equipment found at these centers typically included hooks for hanging people by the hands for beatings, devices for electric shock, and other equipment often found in nations with harsh security services and other authoritarian nations.
 
is it the USA responsbility to protect the freedom of those who cant protect themselves? no not exactly, but someone has to have some morales.
 
i think its funny that people claim the USA is butchering the middle east, and ive even heard "white people are over there killing brown people, white people are the devil"
 
no offense to any middle easterners.. but their are alot more people dying over there from other middle easterners then their are dying from the US and coalition forces.
 
infact its probably right around 1 to 1000 ratio.
 
saddam hussein's govt had tortured executed and ****d over a million people while he was in power.
 
people just like to point the finger at america.. sacrificing our own to protect human rights and deceny around the world.
 
 
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lmao ^ thats as good a reason as ive heard yet xD
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wow? hey do any of you guys want to buy some prime swamp land in bum fk'ed Egypt? lol

there are a few legit questions i have like, why Iraq?
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^ let me guess another non believer? feel free to jump right in xD

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well, probably because they feel like Iraq was one of the major countries in the middle east and once they made them democratic they could push democracy on the other countries easier so we can secure our hold on oil. i'm hoping the electric car makes a come back XD
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

wow? hey do any of you guys want to buy some prime swamp land in bum fk'ed Egypt? lol

there are a few legit questions i have like, why Irak?



some say the oil but idk about that.
im sure they knew that they couldnt "win"
they've been fighting since before the roman empire. (middle east)
 
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wow? hey do any of you guys want to buy some prime swamp land in bum fk'ed Egypt? lol

there are a few legit questions i have like, why Iraq?
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I'm more with tuna on this one.  They needed public support for a war and got  they got it
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