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SIZZLE
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Topic: SCIENCE Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 8:56am |
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lmao you seem to make almost every post towards me? just because i own you at ut3 doesn't mean you need to carry it with you everywhere _-)
and you see'n your gf and your conversation with someone? wtf? UM? i guess thanks for keep'n us informed? lol like i said your still young! and when were young we all think we know more then we acually do! then as we get older we realise just how silly we used to be xD |
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-DaGoN-
Godlike Member I've got a bucket on me head!!! Joined: 08 Apr 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1683 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 9:33am | ||
I had a conversation with someone that was really interesting. For this topic.
Please, if you're not gonna read this carefully and open minded, don't read it at all.
See, last night I talked to someone over PSN voice chat for 2 hours. At one point, I don't quite remember how we got there, he was talking about when you are alone, it can also be in public but your still on your own, he sometimes has like a moment of clarity, when everything suddenly becomes clear. It's like you see yourself from above then, not visually but your emotions, your feelings and your problems. And with that the answers. For example he used to take drugs, some harder drugs. He had a very hard childhood, not the nicest parents. And people kept telling him how he has to stop taking those drugs, and it never had a use to him. But one time, when he took some pills again and was sitting alone, he realized, just like that, that he went too far, that he has to stop. He finally got there himself. And THAT, that is what I found at some point familiar, but mostly I found it extremely wise. He managed to deal with his problems, his horrible childhood HIMSELF. Before, he took the drugs to make the pain go away. At one point he told me, he thought about killing himself.
But to deal with those huge problems himself takes such unbelievable inner strength. I was amazed.
And then I realized, I had it in me all along but I realized then, it's the reason why I don't believe or want to believe in "GOD".
I want to be an indipendent human being.
I want to have that same inner strength.
And I want to know myself.
And this person, he brought a comparison, he said himself it may be too hard, in some countries ppl would kill him for that, but please don't take this too hard or personal, try to be open minded about this.
He said that believing in god is on an emotional level like taking drugs to make your pain go away. Instead of dealing with your own problems, you rather take some all knowing all powerful being that helps you, and of course it does, cause if you fully believe and accept god, TO YOU he exists. But you are not true to yourself. As a human, you are capable of dealing with your own problems, and I find it sad that some people need to rely so much on other things than to just try and deal with it yourself.
Another extrem comparison was suicide. But let's not talk about it.
Better see and know yourself, than have god see and know you.
I don't want to convince anbody on here, but I certainly hope this gets some ppl to think about my way of life, how some german atheist thinks about faith and about dealing with problems.
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:23am | ||
Wow! I miss having those conversations over PSN. There is a lot of truth in what your friend says Dagon. Whatever you believe you have to accept that human beings are weak, they depend on each other - its a very human need (sociopaths are born with essentially the same needs but through their experiences learn to sever these without guilt or remorse). Imo drugs blot the pain making life bearable whereas religious belief can actually heal your pain, a subtle difference but I won't dwell on it. Its tapping into that inner strength, the will to survive thats important. How we get there is seemingly less important. What i've always found interesting is that every cell in our bodies, every organ is given to our securing our survival for as long as is mortally possible. There are so many complex structures and routines that have to be absolutely right - heart regulation, body temperature, breathing, eating, sleeping, resting, reproducing, healing. My question is why? If we simply die and thats the end then what's the importance of survival without a purpose? Prolong the species? For what end? Imo all are functions are too deliberate, too well designed to be simply ordered from chaos! For others not to concern themselves with these matters is a way of focussing on everyday affairs and for you I guess you deal in a reality that is physical, tangible, solid rather than projected. If there are any science grads here I'd love an answer to our seemingly purposeful physiology.
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:36am | ||
well i read it. i don't know why? curiosity i guess? but i did read it.
i'll let someone else try to explain the difference between faith in GOD and freedom to choose. you seem to believe that those who believe in GOD lose the freedom to choose how to live there life? HM? i imagine GOD would like for us to behave in a moral and decent manner. just like we would like for our children behave. but if we don't behave perfect every moment of our life, does GOD forsake us? i imagine many things can be forgiven just like with us humans. athiest seem to view GOD in a certain way? yet at the same time say that GOD doesn't exist? contridiction? athiests can pick apart the bible and distort religion all they want, BUT they can't remove what truely religious people feel! Religion is not about using GOD as a crutch! its about see'ing that your blessed by ever being born in the first place! and see'ing all your blessings in life! and thanking GOD! Heaven is a reward that no human could ever really deserve imo yet its said that Heaven awaits those that believe? so those who believe will just have to wait and see? those who don't believe have nothing to wait for though, because nothing awaits them. well except maybe hell for all eternity? someone on pills may not be the best source for enlightenment? just a thought |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:38am | ||
This post is f*cking awesome! |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 12:40pm | ||
hahahahaha so true
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Aquaknot
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 12:44pm | ||
ok... Faith in God can be best described as an abiding trust that (insert Deity here) will provide for your needs, guide your basic decisions, watch over your and your interests and guide you in your life choices. Freedom to choose: The Apostle Paul called men (gender nuetral) "Free Moral Agents" in speaking to free will. This is best explained as you (should) know right from wrong and indeed, you have a conscience to help guide you in making wise choices. Of course that is, unless you are a sociopath and therefore have no apparent conscience to guide you. Freedom to choose relates to every facet of our lives. Use a condom, don't use a condom. Speed in a school zone, don't speed in a school zone. Boxers or briefs. Original recipe or extra crispy. Lie, cheat and steal, or be honest. One more for the road... or not. At least those explanations work for me...
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 12:57pm | ||
You said that atheist view GOD even though they don't believe in him. Contradiction ? No. We don't view GOD, we view the idea of god.
And yes, I know that god makes you feel something, a certain feeling, and I know that TO YOU god is real. But my entire post was trying to say that the feeling that you get when you YOURSELF realize your problems, it's so much more healthier than thinking god helps you, thus making the pain go away. Or taking drugs, thus making the pain go away. Or commiting suicide, thus making the pain go away.
To have that inner strength, it's amazing. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 1:00pm | ||
But it's also natural for humans to wonder where they come from.
But I still would actually have to agree with you.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 1:07pm | ||
Well you're forgetting evolution here. "We" were not always like this. In fact, life started extremely simple, with just 1 cell ! Then came evolution, 1 cell became 2, 2 became 4, 4 became... (really no idea how many cells can be found in our body).
We help ourselves to exist, sometimes knowing (medication etc.), sometimes without noticing (evolution, we adapted ourselves to our environment naturally).
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 1:41pm | ||
yes Dagon but take for instance if we agree that evolution (mystically appearing to prevail over the existing chaos or randomness of existence) the force that drives us to progress, why does evolution exist IF there is no purpose in progression. Where is it taking us except back into the soil from which we came? Whats the point in progress if it leads to nothing? Why didn't we simply stay at amoeba or simple organisms? Instead we have developed intricate organs and systems that ensure we survive.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 1:50pm | ||
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 2:09pm | ||
Absolutely! IF there is no point to life and there seems a purpose to evolution (survival and progression of the species) then thats one hell of a paradox wouldn't you agree?
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 3:33pm | ||
If.
But why would there be no point in life ?
Asking about the point of life is..useless. How can we know ?
We can define it for ourselves though, each person for himself.
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Aquaknot
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 4:00pm | ||
It's all truth. Except maybe my theory about my missing sock, which as yet is unproven. In truth, I am well armed to discuss, debate or defend either side of either of these issues. I simply choose not to. I could care less on which side another man butters his bread. I'm fascinated by space and the vastness of the universe. I could discuss string theory, branes, multiverse, black holes and even a little quantum mechanics all day long. I would feel a little dirty though because I learned most of it on the Science Channel. In the end it doesn't matter because I'm going to get hungry or thirsty and then go get myself something to eat and drink. Just like the guy who is wandering through life blissfully ignorant of these topics. I know my origins. I fell out of a crack many years ago. I've spent most of my years trying to get back into one. |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 5:27pm | ||
the only thing that fascinates me is the workings of the human brain. everything else is just to sustain and feed the brain.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 9:10pm | ||
Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past. Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years. For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 9:53pm | ||
Says the man whos guess I would trust before most others' facts.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:05pm | ||
Ha, thanks man. If you want to read more, the book below talk about this at length around p90 (if memory from earlier today serves). http://books.google.com/books?id=DNd2K6mxLpIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Fabric+of+the+cosmos&hl=en&ei=Jm-VTK6tBIL-8Aa8--iMDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:25pm | ||
may i refer you to the movie Good will hunting? the bar scene. quoting from books you like apples? how you like dem apples? |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:29pm | ||
While there are purpose-direct explanations, like physiology, within science, not all systems need purpose-directed explanation to exist. "We explain water phase changes by applying a general principle (law of nature) that articulates a physically necessary connection between the occurrence of a cause of a specified type and the type of effect that must follow. Such explanations differ dramatically from purpose-directed explanations since causal explanations make no mention of purposes or goals, and specify an effect that is a physically necessary consequence of the given cause." - Dr. Austin NCSU Ergo, life does not need purpose to exist. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:38pm | ||
XD Just watched it on YouTube, ha! |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 10:51pm | ||
i love the charictor Matt Daman plays. i seen that movie and i was like oh sh1t its me lol my wife said omg thats you to a tee
my friends said wtf that dude Matt Daman plays is you. i fk with people just like that and i used to get in fights at times but i never started the fights! xD |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 3:55pm | ||
But then I could argue that im being less affected by time that you are, if we say time is relative, i can say im moving faster through time than you are therfore I WIN... |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 4:29pm | ||
green: everything is "hotly" debated amongst the scientific community :Q once we understand black holes then we will understand the origins of our universe. i personally think that they will start studying magnetism more in physics.. so weird to know how powerful gravity is yet you can defy it with a tiny magnet. i wonder if that's what they are going to use when we discover how to make artificial gravity |
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