Idiot of the day!

wow..

idiot of the day goes to potorikan first off for that ridiculously long response, i would probably give him idiot of the day for what he wrote in the response as well, but obviously noone is going to read all of that.

im idiot of the day for walkin around town plastered as sh!t last night lol im so happy i didnt run into any 5-0

Originally posted by COKKENBALLS Helscream, instead of using your wisdom to chide us adults on our actions against the child, you could use this opportunity to mentor the child. At this point, I don't care to be perceived as the winner of the disagreement. I care only to see the child act more like an adult. With that said, it should also be known that if the child continues to act like the new EnVy, I won't be quiet for long. I haven't had any comment since Helscream entered into this verbal joust because I generally don't like to take a side where people I am friends with are on both sides. Even though I disagree with Helscream's reason for defending the child, out of respect, I'm going to stand down. Respect, something that is earned and not entitled. As long as you have the child's ear, that might be a good place to start mentoring. Good day!

nice post cokky.. hard to argue those points.  again this is and should be a healthy debate among adults.  if we keep that way no harm done in my eyes and from my part.  I still and will continue to respect Helscream for the gaming vet he is and as a person.  After all, presidential debates have some mudslinging cuz in the end they're both trying to win but in the end they shake hands.  at the end of this I can shake hands with Helly and be cool as before.  I expect he'll do the same.

not reading that lol, @ danjel, ummmmmmmm no i meant to spell it wrong, its sorta how my freind and i created it. have anything else against me guys please tell me, i wanna know

(edited to remove helly's original post because it made my post that much longer.. his i still up should anyone care to read it)

at first I wasn't even going to respond to this but I found so many things wrong with your post including the portion directed at me that I figured I'll try one last time to participate in what should be a healthy debate.  In that spirit here goes.  This is merely a debate as defined in any common dictionary:

debate |diˈbāt|
noun
a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative a**embly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
• an argument about a particular subject, esp. one in which many people are involved : the national debate on abortion | there has been much debate about prices.
verb [ trans. ]
argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner : the board debated his proposal | the date when people first entered America is hotly debated.
• [with clause ] consider a possible course of action in one's mind before reaching a decision : he debated whether he should leave the matter alone or speak to her.

Anything written by me is with that intent only.  If you want more insight watch "The Great Debators" on DVD if it helps you better grasp the point.  That said please proceed.....

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Necro,

Look here dude, im well aware of what credibility is. The reason you want to reference to wikipedia is because your lack the intellect to process your own thoughts. So you rewind back to the ''But he said, she said'' bull****. Wikipedia is not even a reliale source of information on most occausions.

First off Your spelling and grammar is a bit off.  I'd mention exactly where but I don't want it to seem like a personal attack. It's more of "ur too smart to make such mistakes" sort of thing.  As for the wikipedia crack, do you use wiki on a regular basis?  Don't you know the diference between a bad entry and a reliable one?  I can't speak for anyone else but we're all aware that it's a freely editable resource but even wiki itself can throw a hint or two when it's not reliable.  Have you picked up on this yet?  LIke our friend Necro (and I dare say, ALL encyclopedic resources) it does cite references to many of the points and claims the entires make.. some are even clickable references (yes folks, you can actually click and it will take you to the source of the information from which it's basing it's statements from).  When and if there is an entry or even an entry that's not fully certified it warns you at the top.  for more help on this please refer to 6 Reliability in specific contexts or Wikipedia:Verifiability for more info on this.  I seriously doubt anyone can consider themselves a true internet citizen and avoid wikipedia at the same time.  Wikipedia has been, since it's inception, one of the major points of what the information highway, as Gore called it, was always supposed to be, a link from one thing to another, a limitless repository of data and knowledge and a platform to aid in communication.  Wikipedia in some way shape or form delivers on this end.  So in the end, wikipedia is only as good as the person that knows how to interpret and use that information effectively.


An opinion is a individual's own perspective on a subject/belief.

No disagreements here.  It is what it is.

Logic on the other hand is a very good friend of mine.

Logic is fact base and your above comment is in fact, yep, you guessed it.  An example of your own perspective on a subject (you)/belief.  this makes it.. wait for it... an opinion.

And if you want to refer to my words to Qwest, if you truely want credibility. What i said falls exactly into with scripture in the Bible, which is the word of God. Which is about as creditable as it gets.

You're not seriously going to use God, his living word and scriptures to validate or lend credibility to your opinions, claims or statements are you?  I"m not sure how this makes sense.  Most real/true Christians wouldn't dream of using the Lord in that way and even the most inconsistent atheist (even a horrible one) wouldn't use the word of what they consider a make believe deity to serve as the basis for fact in any way.  .I do recall you correcting someone's post to state that you were in fact an Atheist.  What's an Atheist doing using a deity's literary work to prove his credibility?  Can you help me understand what you are trying to say here? I'm confused


Hmm....this is interesting. I noticed the replies i read 2 days ago that caused me to say the words that i did are gone. Interesting. Edit Post->Delete ? Or maybe working 12 hour shift's makes you dellusion.

Everyone is free to edit/delete their own entries.  there's nothing new about this.  That's beyond anyone's control.  Unless of course you are trying to suggest that I (having additional permissions as a Moderator) had something to do with that?  I've never done anything of the sort unless a user requests it so I actually take some offense on your implication if that is in fact what it is.

I do not find my words superior to others, but there clearly is a right and wrong to everything. Infact i believe all of mankind was created equal.

It's hard to reconcile this statement with others that you've made just in this post alone.  If you believe that mankind was created equal then at the very least you, Necro and I are the same.  equals as you put it.  Odd but when I read your posts I don't get the sense you consider us your equals.  In what respects are we equal according to you?  You have likened your credibility to that of a Deity you don't believe it, your attempting to justify your act of defending IPWN while having condemned another youngster for his beliefs, You have whether subliminally or not inferred violence in your posts.  I don't relate nor identify with any of those things so there are some differences there.

Now as to your reference to saying that if the MODERATOR'S didn't say anything than obviously there is nothing wrong? Really? So if you see a Police Officer sit there in his patrol vehicle and see's a woman getting mugged and ****d. And the Police Officer does not intervene and does nothing about it, and just drive's by like it is ok. Than according to your understanding it's not wrong? Because OBVIOUSLY if the Police Officer doesn't think it's wrong than OBVIOUSLY there is nothing wrong with that?

Wrong can have several definitions (even on a web forum) but your analogy is a bit exaggerated.  I believe what Necro was inferring was that if none of the Mods (myself included obviously) had no issues with any of the things that were being written by ALL parties in the form of warnings/interventions or the like, then it must be (by definition) within the guidelines that moderators guide themselves by as cited in the terms of use (even for Fists of Fury which is where this is all taking place).  That said, if no Mod took any action to intervene it would have to be because there was no rule that needed enforcing.  If no enforcement was necessary than no rule was broken nor guideline violated.  We obviously can't apply all of the same rules we use in real life online because they don't always apply.  In real life this probably wouldn't be an issue.  However, because certain individuals feel a false sense of security behind a firewall they use this as a spring board for acting out in ways they wouldn't ordinarily act.  Hence statements like "IDGAF" or "f*** Everyone" etc.  Compared to real life it's much easier to run your mouth and not feel the need to respect others online.  This is how a lot of issues on this forum get started.  This is what has gotten people like Paw suspended for example. 


Do you truly not bother to take your own ideologies/morales/principles into account? Just because someone wear's a uniform or has a label by their name that say's [I have authority to say what is right and wrong]. Doesn't mean their words have more meaning than the next person. And who exactly has appointed those people authority? Another person, or they appoint themselve's that authority. No man truely has authority over another. And even people who ARE in a position of authority can abuse that authority and bend the truth's to their own belief's and lie's. Hell, go look at the U.S.A. government and other nations of this world. Very few men who gain power and authority rarely know how to use it the right way. Most men crave it to satisfy their own thirst for power. Take a look a politics, perfect example. The ultimate race to quench the thirst for power.

That's a pretty big statement.  Not only are you inferring that the moderators on this site don't do their jobs, that they abuse their additional privileges offered by the position, but the very people who enlisted us to serve in that role Aquaknot and WOPR have no judgement on which to base their decisions on the matter.  It's unfortunate that you view things that way.  In fact, I'm going to leave that statement uncontested.  I think it speaks a lot to how you choose to view things.

''I am not picking on you, what we have is a disagreement'' The word ''disagreement'' is a cowardly word wich derive's from political correctness. You just want swing punch's at me then try to be persuasive as possible so the populace see's you as an innocent person. Do you seriously expect to insult me and walk away without a retaliation? Think again. Don't pick a fight you can't finish.

I wasn't aware the issue was Innocence versus guilt per se.  I thought we were all discussing Leah's actions which came as a result of either immaturity and/or bad judgement.  Having seen the **** storm that came of it I think even she regrets some of the things she's said (not thinking them but at least saying them which to me is the whole point).  You were being challenged to a debate how is that insulting?  Do you feel insulted that I'm challenging the things you say?  You're doing the same thing and I can a**ure you I'm not frustrated in the least about the whole matter.  If you feel you can't handle a dialogue between adults without either getting upset or resorting to allusions of physical violence then I strongly suggest you don't participate in any debates in the future.  btw, ur response to all this won't be taken as retaliation but rather a rebuttal.  It won't be considered by me (and I dare say Necro as well) a fight but a counter point to be countered.  If you really can't handle that in a adult civilized manner then this discussion will truly be over.


And now you have clearly just threatened me, saying your going to undoublty outlca** me?

Dude, it's not a threat it's a challenge.  A highly competitive one at that.  It's really odd how you react to these sort of things and it makes me appreciate Reverend Crow even more.  I know Crowie can be argumentative and hard a**ed about things but one thing I can say is that unless you directly insult or threated his family (or QM at least lol) he won't take cracks at him as personal threats to his manhood or integrity.  if anything he sees it as yet another challenge that needs to be addressed and he does so through his posts with counter points.  You'd be hard pressed to find a post where he responds to a crack with "well if that's what you think, come over here and I'll finish you off".  Perhaps a bit of anger management is in order?

 I didn't come here to start trouble. Instead i came to the defense of iAM_OffTheEdge.

No one said you did.  No one who has participated in this debate has come here with that intent either.  As for defending Edge the jury is still out as to why.  Surely of all the injustices that take place in this site by the many members and the myriad of reasons why ,you chose this person and this time.  I"m still perplexed by it.  I can think of countless other situations your zeal for righteousness and justice could've come into play or could've been more useful.  Where were you when BOTW was being harra**ed by members of this site?  Where was your sense of Justice when Incremental was being accused of cheating via FragFX?  What happened to your sense of right and wrong when issues of team stacking were being hotly debated against AR?  I couldn't find any evidence of your stamp of righteousness in any of those threads.  I looked.  You and your sense of justice were nowhere to be found.  Why here?  Why her?  why now?  If you could enlighten me I"m more than happy to be corrected on this front.

But if truly think you can just threaten me and expect me to flee like a coward? You are terribly mistaken. Because i gurantee you this. If you seriously want to come over and start a war with me, you won't walk away from it.

There we go again with those consistent threats of physical violence.  If you insist on resorting to that because you can't contest or counter something then this debate is truly pointless and need not continue

Now ill say this again, i am not here to trash talk others. I perfer to get along with people. I perfer to just pick the game up and play.

Well this is not entirely accurate.  Had you peferred playing I wouldn't be here spending time writing this response.  So something else is at work here no?

But Necro, i WILL tell you this.

If you call down the thunder, your going to get it.


Potorikan,

Indeed, you are correct. She has done things in the past, which does not make her entirely innocent?

are you asking or are you totally agreeing with me?  I can't tell.. the questions mark at the end is confusing me.

But does a persons past truely define their present?

Not necessarily.  Everyone deserves a second chance.  However Leah is one example of someone who has gotten a lot of chances to learn a crucial and essential lesson.  Tact.  Just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. 

 Does it define their future?

Again, not necessarily but trends are used to predict the future all the time.  Our financial system depends on that simple philosophy.  In this context, the past is used to determine the severity of the outcry she receives for repeated violations of the same offense.  If she makes a different mistake the outcry wouldn't be as harsh.  As a father I can tell you that when my children make a first mistake it's treated quite nicely.  However, repeated infractions on the same issue of the same type are severely dealt with.  If my child burns their hand on the stove I can forgive that easily, if they play with the stove everyday after such an incident and after repeated warnings you're just asking for trouble and it's dealt with more harshly.  it's not really that uncommon a perspective on it.

 The thing that irritate's me is that this hopeless humanity insist on destryoing one another instead of IMPROVING one another. Cokkenballs was able to midly manage himself and atleast give constructive critisizim without being a complete a**hole. Thats why i havent addressed him.

But somehow Pin, Necro and Myself are a**holes because we feel we still have points to make and they are not to your standards somehow or make you uncomfortable or mad?  is that it?


Instead of wounding a person, you have to beat them to they are just downright miserable. People in this world will take a small ounce of disrepect and unleash their unyielding wrath on that individual. It would be like me going inside my house to get my mossberg, load it with 00 buckshot, and blow a guy's head off because he bumped into me when i was in the grocery store and he forgot to say ''execuse me''.

again, ur analogies are a bit exaggerated.  Leah is at an age where she should already know basic principles as tact, courtesy or respect.  Any one of us, yourself included, can relate to this.  If someone disrespects you enough or makes you made enough because of what they say you feel you need to react, be it with physical violence or not you respond.  how can you expect any less from any of us?  look at how ur reacting to our posts.  we're not even half as tactless or foul mouthed as she has been yet you defend her but threaten adn try to demean or argue with us.  I'm a bit confused as to how you implement ur good friend logic here.  Judging from your ease in getting angry or resorting to threats of violence that you own anything even resembling a weapon is something of a concern.

You can't put out flames with gasoline either.

Yea I know and not every vehicle runs off diesel either big deal.  you need to accept that everyone's temperament differs from everyone yes, but you need to recognize people's need to speak and defend themselves.  Leah has had that opportunity.  She has expressed her temperatment but when it came to defending it left much to be desired.  This could've all been avoided had she made that last ditch apology soon after her initial comments.  Heck even a day after would've been ok.. but only after the storm came and went did she realize the extent of what she did. 

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Wow a philosophical thread...and someone mentioned me too! So what have I missed? Lets see some people are older than they pretend to be, some are younger than they appear to be and Helscream's being outed for being a closet christian. 

QWEST = SPAGENDER

Originally posted by x_puertoRICAN_x Qwest is 13...... So yea

thank u both rican & ying yangin @ least somebody defends me

Originally posted by Helscream And you see this is the sad thing, it's PROBABLY people like you who go out and condem everyone for their sin's and damn them to eternity of agony. I bet you go out and make people feel like **** and make them feel like they are not worthy of God and they are too unworthy for him to care.

yeah probably is a no ppl in my christian school do that a follow the wrong path im the 1 that stays away from that so ur wrong there

Originally posted by sickboogiemurder Necro *hands you the burn ointment* You might need the whole tube for that burn.   Rikan lol sorry man I'm all out Necro used the last of it.

uh, what burn?

*slaps helscream* stop ....just stop...too much to read...stop...i just woke up

Necro,

Look here dude, im well aware of what credibility is. The reason you want to reference to wikipedia is because your lack the intellect to process your own thoughts. So you rewind back to the ''But he said, she said'' bull****. Wikipedia is not even a reliale source of information on most occausions.

An opinion is a individual's own perspective on a subject/belief.

Logic on the other hand is a very good friend of mine.

And if you want to refer to my words to Qwest, if you truely want credibility. What i said falls exactly into with scripture in the Bible, which is the word of God. Which is about as creditable as it gets.

Hmm....this is interesting. I noticed the replies i read 2 days ago that caused me to say the words that i did are gone. Interesting. Edit Post->Delete ? Or maybe working 12 hour shift's makes you dellusion.

I do not find my words superior to others, but there clearly is a right and wrong to everything. Infact i believe all of mankind was created equal.

Now as to your reference to saying that if the MODERATOR'S didn't say anything than obviously there is nothing wrong? Really? So if you see a Police Officer sit there in his patrol vehicle and see's a woman getting mugged and ****d. And the Police Officer does not intervene and does nothing about it, and just drive's by like it is ok. Than according to your understanding it's not wrong? Because OBVIOUSLY if the Police Officer doesn't think it's wrong than OBVIOUSLY there is nothing wrong with that?

Do you truly not bother to take your own ideologies/morales/principles into account? Just because someone wear's a uniform or has a label by their name that say's [I have authority to say what is right and wrong]. Doesn't mean their words have more meaning than the next person. And who exactly has appointed those people authority? Another person, or they appoint themselve's that authority. No man truely has authority over another. And even people who ARE in a position of authority can abuse that authority and bend the truth's to their own belief's and lie's. Hell, go look at the U.S.A. government and other nations of this world. Very few men who gain power and authority rarely know how to use it the right way. Most men crave it to satisfy their own thirst for power. Take a look a politics, perfect example. The ultimate race to quench the thirst for power.

''I am not picking on you, what we have is a disagreement'' The word ''disagreement'' is a cowardly word wich derive's from political correctness. You just want swing punch's at me then try to be persuasive as possible so the populace see's you as an innocent person. Do you seriously expect to insult me and walk away without a retaliation? Think again. Don't pick a fight you can't finish.

And now you have clearly just threatened me, saying your going to undoublty outlca** me? I didn't come here to start trouble. Instead i came to the defense of iAM_OffTheEdge. But if truly think you can just threaten me and expect me to flee like a coward? You are terribly mistaken. Because i gurantee you this. If you seriously want to come over and start a war with me, you won't walk away from it.

Now ill say this again, i am not here to trash talk others. I perfer to get along with people. I perfer to just pick the game up and play.

But Necro, i WILL tell you this.

If you call down the thunder, your going to get it.



Potorikan,

Indeed, you are correct. She has done things in the past, which does not make her entirely innocent? But does a persons past truely define their present? Does it define their future? The thing that irritate's me is that this hopeless humanity insist on destryoing one another instead of IMPROVING one another. Cokkenballs was able to midly manage himself and atleast give constructive critisizim without being a complete a**hole. Thats why i havent addressed him.

Instead of wounding a person, you have to beat them to they are just downright miserable. People in this world will take a small ounce of disrepect and unleash their unyielding wrath on that individual. It would be like me going inside my house to get my mossberg, load it with 00 buckshot, and blow a guy's head off because he bumped into me when i was in the grocery store and he forgot to say ''execuse me''.

You can't put out flames with gasoline either.

Pinnacle,

Very well, i'll leave you out of this. For now.