What the Deal with Super-Size clans?

http://www.iamgaming.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2494&title=any-clan-need-player

Hey I saw a convo on clan sizes that was interesting and affects most of us (link above) anyway so here goes. You cannot put a limit on the size of a clan - big or small - that is the decision of the leader(s) and clan members.
In practice however small clans will find it difficult to survive if they remain small (4 or less is what I consider to be small). Large clans are OK cos they can play internally, play across all modes (if that is their desire) and enough of em should be on at the same time for spontaneous scrims etc. Supersize clans (18+ active players) seems excessive, I cant see how they all get to play in games but maybe thats cos theyre not bothered? A and B teams seem pointless hence i agree that effectively they're operating as 2 clans using 1 clan tag. I've heard of a couple of clans that roll this way but thats their perogative isn't it? as long as their members are happy then whats the deal?
The league has driven all the participating clans into a rapid recruiting strategy but everyone it seems were down for a league that encompa**ed all modes. So again, what's the deal with large clans?

IMO 8-10 should be max for a clan anything bigger than that is pointless and rediculous a clan should have enough for a match+some extra just incase...all these clans on this forum with huge amounts of members all they are doing is takin all the players that play 1 mode and then callin themselves the best at that mode after takin the players who play that mode

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy In practice however small clans will find it difficult to survive if they remain small (4 or less is what I consider to be small).

I've always prefered smaller teams (10 people = A LOT for a 5v5 tops game) for the fact that I'll actually get to play the match and won't have to sit out anything..
If 2 members can't show at the agreed date due to circumstances that still leaves 3 members just idling/playing eachother to swap out between modes or something.

play across all modes (if that is their desire)

What invisible barrier is preventing me from playing vCTF?
Besides that, with 50+ clans surely it'd be easier to be more 'exclusive' to your mode(s).

and enough of em should be on at the same time for spontaneous scrims etc.

Surely with 50+ teams 2 of them have 5 members on at the same time right? Besides, after a while of playing with your team you will find times that all members are available, and having 2 people more than the match was agreed on allows for people who can't make it after all.

Supersize clans (18+ active players) seems excessive, I cant see how they all get to play in games but maybe thats cos theyre not bothered? A and B teams seem pointless hence i agree that effectively they're operating as 2 clans using 1 clan tag. I've heard of a couple of clans that roll this way but thats their perogative isn't it? as long as their members are happy then whats the deal?

Well as soon as you have teams with that many players there should be matches between clans every day, and maybe several matches at a time.

not everybody plays every single mode. the more players there r in a clan, the more diverse array of skills the clan has. u can set ur teams specialists to play for certain modes. for example 8 of ur team members maybe vctf experts so keep em for vctf. 8 other players maybe experts inf wf so have them available for the wf team. if u have players that play all modes put them in more then one mode to represent ur clan.......... :-D

In most of the big clans their actual numbers are an illusion. This is due to inactive players that people don't want to cut from their roster. My previous clan had a good core of players but a huge amount of inactivity which gave the illusion that it was big. Only 10 out of 22 were active.

Originally posted by Sk-iller In most of the big clans their actual numbers are an illusion. This is due to inactive players that people don't want to cut from their roster. My previous clan had a good core of players but a huge amount of inactivity which gave the illusion that it was big. Only 10 out of 22 were active. I still feel that a clan will die if it doesn't take on new blood to replace inactivity and player poaching.

True say mate. Thats the case in Heavenly, we really only have 8-9 active players from several countries so time zones and inactivity are big factors in many cases. I know you have Jorge in your clan, imagine if we had a Finnish guy in Heavenly there would be approx 11 hours difference between him and Soule or Killa! We're trying hard for 12 regulars so that comittments, time zones, practices dont affect pledges to scrim gains other clans. Most times I count 5-6 atm on at one time but that aint for long either.
I hear people saying dont recruit from places outside your time zone. Not a smart move, its divisive especially when we talk about a community, why exclude?

to me the ideal clan is around 4-8 members

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy I hear people saying dont recruit from places outside your time zone. Not a smart move, its divisive especially when we talk about a community, why exclude?

no offense.. but noone in the ut3 community knows how to make a clan.

Originally posted by Drokun I think he means teamwork which followed long practice with always the same couple of people Originally posted by Mommyrox Originally posted by RemY With smaller teams you would able to function more as a unit. Team Chemistry if you will. I disagree, I have great chemistry with all my clan mates. I enjoy playing with all of them. I love TDM with DoD.I even like VCTF when I am on the opposite team of Chris & Bio, I know I'm gonna lose but I still have a blast. Kargo with Shewulph is great fun. Popping up & having King say "Mommy was EVERYWHERE!" the coolest. Playing Sandstorm with River & Arkos way too funny. Getting shock combo'd by Sandfox lol. Aqua in a tank (hope I'm on his side). I could go on but I don't want this post to be three pages long.

I don't know any clans that have 40 active members. I have also been in a clan with 5 active members. I have seen more cohesion in A-R then I did in the smaller clan. They have taught me what being a team player means. Proud to be A-R.

Originally posted by RemY Teammates' capabilities and weaknesses is what I meant mommy. Also with drokun's post.

Well in my opinion, I'm the worst player in the clan. I guess when I play with them and learn to be better it's hard not to feel awed by how well every single player in A-R knows their strength and who is suppose to be where. They have something I haven't seen in other teams. All I mean is when someone in our group can't play there is someone to fill in, everyone knows who can & can't do. It is amazing how well we know each other.

8 people per clan is enough imo

Originally posted by Black_star Originally posted by FraaaaZ not everybody plays every single mode. the more players there r in a clan, the more diverse array of skills the clan has. u can set ur teams specialists to play for certain modes. for example 8 of ur team members maybe vctf experts so keep em for vctf. 8 other players maybe experts inf wf so have them available for the wf team. if u have players that play all modes put them in more then one mode to represent ur clan.......... :-D Why not just learn other modes? Is it really that hard? I think clans are too big now.