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Crypto-_-421 
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Been wondering how critical upload speed is and what is a decent speed for multiplayer online? One Meg, two Meg? About to get a package that is 25/25 Dwn & up. Been running 10/1. I think upload speed is just as crucial as download!! Any thoughts?
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BAIN
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Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:27am |
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25 up seems a bit excessive. I get by fine with 2 - 3 up.
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Decent speed is about:
Download: 1448 kb/s Upload: 324 kb/s Ping: Around 56ms Distance: 50 mi This is my own actually and its running great. Hardly any lag at all. I think you could run at a download 1000 kb/s min. But below that you could experience some frame loss and lag issues. Upload speed is just as important as download speed tho. Upload speed is the rate at which you can send data to the host and the players of your game. Hope that answers your question.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:37am |
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Mine-=
Download-2784kb/s Upload-454kb/s Very laggy i got to admit |
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im tired.
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ax412
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try to get alteast 1MB for your upload speed.
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All the packets you send and receive in online gaming is limited by 1)Ping 2)data rate
Think of it this way; if a guy shoots your character, all of that information has to come downstream to your device (PS3 in this case) and then needs to be sent back round trip to his device so the guy that shot your character sees it fall. Your overall experience will be reflective of the lowest common denominator in your connection speed and Ping rate. Ping rate is just how clean and direct your connection is to the host. The more "hops" your machine makes to the host, the more likely you are to run in to a slow connection, bogged down router, etc. This is outside of your control. It's really a combination of both User's speed that affects overall game play. This is best seen when a player with "2 bars" joins your team in a game like Black Ops. His data rate pulls down the entire team. The same is true for games like BF3, where everyone can have a great data rate, but the load and activity from flying vehicles, ground vehicles and foot players is sending so much data concurrently, there is obvious frame drop and lag. Long story short, get 1.5Mb to 5Mb up speed for the best available experience. The download speeds seem to take care of themselves (unless your on a budget connection) and many ISPs use "Burstable" downstream data rates to accomodate video and online gaming activity.
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Crypto-_-421
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Thanks knot, bain and others! Feedback was helpful!! Probably run with 20/2!! Had 10/1 and had virtually no lag in resistance 3 unlike ut/3 laggy as hell at times. Moh runs smooth.
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BAIN
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Just remember that most ISPs do not guarantee you the top speed, just "up to" that top speed. I have 25 down and have seen it vary from 37 to 17. It's cable so alot has to do with how many other people in the vicinity are online downloading.
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Just out of curiousity, what is a good ping number?
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i think 25-- or less than 45..
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<50 = excellent <100 = good/ok These are in milliseconds.
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SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
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That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Your computer is usually sending a tiny packet to get the quickest response. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server and the type of information that is being sent/processed/responded to. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping rates.
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Not trying to burst your bubble. The servers that are used for gaming are usually junk. That is why people have ping rate issues. Not to mention that they are usually running 100s of servers from a single T-3 connection which screws the user connections. The gaming industry wants to sell disks with minimal post-sale support. That is why dedicated servers are usually not that great. They are usually cheap computers, not real servers. Your connection sounds awesome, but uping the Bandwidth won't see ping rate improvement at those levels.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:10pm |
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ISP's do not ever give you equil up load as down load, it doesnt work that way. its generaly around 1/5 to 1/3rd but your upload is not the matter of connecting to a server, upload is what determines your host or abililtly to send not recieve so for gaming it doesnt matter. the equipment matters most imo cause if you have fast net but sh!t gear you will have sh!t net. my internet is 25mb download 4.5mb upload and i use a $300 netgear dual band router with bandwidth priority. it can be set to only give bandwidth based on how you set it so you can prioritize what equipment get how much of you net.you would have to have a 100mb download to get 25mb upload
it probably is 2.5 up load which would make sense.
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with a cheap belkin surf n go router and my ps3 on wifi i would ping 56 to chicago
with my netgear with hardline connection i ping anywhere from 16 to 32 and thats at least 240miles from my house, hell i even ping average 56 from minnesota to newyork and im not sure how many miles that is but im sure in 1000plus
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16Mb Download 1Mb Upload + Fastpath Enabled for Better Ping
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Open a DOS Prompt (windows) and do a Trace Route to a known server (any server will do). You'll see a list of hops and the speed between the hops. It will look like this:
c:\tracert iamgaming.com I'm on wireless so the first hop is to my router, which from where I'm sitting is 13Ms. Next hop is to my cable modem, then I jump around in my ISP for 3 hops, then to the ISP for my ISP (none of them own the their own cable), then to the ISP for the server host, then to the server host, then to the router/switch rack the server is on and then finally to the server itself. There can be and usually are; firewalls, load balancing servers, switches and routers that you jump through on one given test, which will not show up the next time you test it.
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Also the recieving server has a play in this equation. So distance is not the greatest factor in ping. s h i t recieving server = s h i t response time.
Also Aqua's post is even moe money in explaining the factors invovled.
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A note on wireless... I just broke this machine down and junked it last week. I did keep the power supply and vid card though.
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I live just outside of Dallas. My UT3 server was based in Dallas. 14 hops!!!!! LOL. I only had 21 hops to the server I leased in Atlanta. Damn ISPs.
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For you guys stuck playing wirelessly, I've had great results with these:
 You'll get far better performance with this than you will wirelessly. PS3 max connection is wireless "G". There is no benefit from "N". If you can find a reasonably old router with MIMO, that will give you the best "G" speeds. The only issue I found was a room far from the router that was behind a GFCI device. Apparently current building codes require all bedrooms to have Ground Fault protectors. I solved that by wiring the entire house for network... post condtruction
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and actually bandwidth does affect your ping
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