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Pinnacle
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Topic: Science v Religion Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 3:04pm |
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To All: Read the book, "The Man Nobody Knows" by Bruce Barton. This book will add some serious perspective to this grand 'ol debate. |
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Iuckshot
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 3:04pm | |
There's no point arguing with the religion people, they will continue to go on on and on about this religion thing like they did in the last 100 science religion threads. "What a fool believes no wise man can reason" whee internet argument |
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 3:11pm | |
I listened to the great atheist Richard Dawkins not so long ago telling an audience that God was indeed a vain, jealous creator who demanded that man must worship him and no other else they will feel his wrath. I was left thinking; 1 how can you criticise the behaviour of someone you dont even believe in - unless you are playing the audience for cheap points. 2 I dont actually recall God instructing authors of the old or new testament to write down his words or obey specific instructions to the letter. The only thing I recall is the Ten Commandments given to Moses. What atheists fail to acknowledge is that the Bible isn't an instruction manual telling you exactly what you should do. So playing on the contradictions and imperfections doesn't exactly bring the faith crumbling to the ground.
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Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$!
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 3:25pm | |
Waddaya mean I already ave a serious perspective lol. And I'm already reading 4 books on this topic over the summer so short-cut it for me plz. In all seriousness tho I will say that non-believers are critical of believers for investing so much faith in 'a fairy tale' as lunchy so eloquently puts it. Yes many do believe in a self-generating being with the power to create a universe and all things in it. But is it actually any less increadible than a self-generating universe with the power to create life? You believe in the 'fairy tale' that makes most sense to you but please don't try to claim your 'fairy tale' as the truth. The only truth is that your explanation is no more credible than ours! This isn't an atttack on lunchy or anyone else but its a point that I am willing to debate and if you prove me wrong then I will have seen something that previously was hidden to me.
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 4:05pm | |
In addition, what form of Christianity was Muhammad familiar with when he started Islam? Gnosticism -_____-
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 12:14pm | |
Muhammad was a prophet just like Jesus so he didn't start Islam just like Jesus didn't start Christianity it was the people who interpreted what he said and tried to follow in his foot steps who started it. Didn't Muhammad live in a cave or something without water or food until God spoke to him? That was a common thing back then
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 12:34pm | |
Yeah but Muhammad was influenced my Gnosticism where Jesus isnt the son of God.
In Islam is Jesus the Son of God? No. And technically Jesus told people to follow Him. |
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TX2k7
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 2:21pm | |
jesus is a part of islam tho, just as muhammed is
i couldn't help remembering this lol |
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 2:32pm | |
Yeah but Jesus being the Son of God is a game changer. If Jesus is the Son of Go, Muhammad was deceived. If Jesus wasn't ... well Paul said it best, "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 3:40pm | |
King it's just pointing out that your post was absolutely useless.
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Cruel IntentionZ
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 4:18pm | |
as an alternative to this thread may i suggest a circle to run around in.
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FehtalaTee
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 11:43pm | |
licks finger and whipes his finger across his eyebrows* puts on sunglasses* cough twice*...whats sup Luci
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Me and Penguins about to go HAAAAAM!!
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 2011 at 8:46am | |
Know the difference between Messiah and prophet? Savior of all that acccept him = Messiah / Fortelling the future = prophet
Jesus is the Messiah, and his words are Christianity.. Only his words matter.. Its for each individual to decide for him or her self weather to accept Jesus Christ as their savior. There is no collective salvation in Christianity. Eveyone has a choice. Believe and accept Jesus as your savior, and be a Christian.. Or believe what you will. Its your choice. |
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 12:00pm | |
^lol
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TuNA FISh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 12:04pm | |
jesus wasnt considered the son of god until like 300 years after his death. that's a game changer too. how do you know what jesus said? gospels were written decades after he died |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 12:08pm | |
Tuna have you heard anything about a large Comet passing very close to the earth next month? i think its your ticket out of here my man... just hop on as it passes
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Iuckshot
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 12:13pm | |
How come I have not heard about this from my usual sources of news, people raving about the end of the world? I won't call it reliable until then. |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 1:03pm | |
end of the world? thats what you got out of that? lol |
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Iuckshot
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 2:59pm | |
Nah, I've heard something like that over a year ago easily, but it just seems like something people would scream the end of the world over
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 9:15pm | |
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool you mean the council of something starting with a N? where they decided on the canon of scripture? where EVERYONE in attending attested to Jesus being the Son of God except for 1-2 people under the influence of Gnosticism? |
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QwEsT
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 9:32pm | |
What's the point of arguing here, if they don't believe, & aren't willing to listen to the truth they're screwed when they die.
I believe, in Jesus being the Son of God. Btw the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke & John, were written by ppl who lived while Jesus lived, & they also had a close relationship with him. |
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 9:52pm | |
then somebody is gonna say well how do you know the apostles wrote the Gospels.
like qwest said it will never end if we try to debate it. one of us just has to die eventually and bring a cell phone |
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Pinnacle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Aug 2011 at 11:24am | |
Qwesty, there is much debate regarding the canonical gospels. For instance, the gospel of John has been deeply debated. It's authoriship is still unknown. However, it's universally accepted that John the Apostle wasn't the author. That is why it is the most comprehensive gospel. It's been revised multiple times over the years. It takes from all of the gospels and ties the stories together. Without the Gospel of John, the 3 other gospels contradict each other to some degree.
Also, the original Bible on had 3 Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke). In the 2nd Century, the Book of John was added in an attempt to create "Gospel Harmony". That's when the discepancies started to emerge. It's the equivilent of you and I tring to tell the same story, but they sound different. The stories should be the same, yet perspective is different.
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Phenethylamine
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Aug 2011 at 11:27am | |
When you die it's the same as before you were born :3
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Pinnacle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Aug 2011 at 11:27am | |
Very true. I wouldn't call it debating, but rather enlightenment. There are a lot of people in this world that are Christian, but do not know or understand the origins and history of Christianity. It is very complex to digest. Furhtermore, there are many working peices. Doesn't make it wrong. However, most people that speak against Christianity are looking for something simple. Christianity is anything but simple. However, it Christianity's complexity that makes it a powerful religion.
The issues are that there are dozens of authors to the Bible. Therefore, there are multiple acounts of what actually occurred. Also, the Church of England screwed things up when the royalty thought they were decendants of Jesus and thus they can come up with their own interpretation of the Bible (i.e. King James Bible). Furthermore, the Counsil of Trent, in 1546, canonized the current version of the Catholic Bible. A lot was added to the Bible at this time. Of course, this is an oversimplification to the reason why Christianity is heavily debated, but these type of actions have added to the debate.
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