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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 3:58am |
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Ummmm If the argument was X-Men vs JLA then Dark Phoenix is a non-factor. Dark Phoenix was never in the X-Men, Jean Grey was. DP was simply a super enraged merging of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force that was completely out of control. That's like saying Parallax is part of the JLA because he used to be Green Lantern. Most, if not all, members of the X-Men are very low tiered characters within the Marvel Universe, whereas nearly every member of the JLA is a high tier DC character. A better topic would be JLA vs The Avengers. Each team holds several power house characters while the X-Men would get slapped around like play things by either team.
As for the Hulk vs Superman topic: Many people seem to be downplaying supes and overhyping Hulkster. Hulk DOES NOT have limitless power, and has been outclassed by several characters below superman's level. Hulk has NEVER successfully stood up to cosmic level threats whereas Superman has bested Darkseid (a F***** God), Doomsday, and Orion.
Btw, neither of those two characters are even close to the power levels of the true top tier's of
each universe. Both superman and Hulk would get squashed by the real power houses.
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Bump cosmic level strength this dude took on pure psionic energy of Onslaught which was professor xavier, mageneto, franklin richards, and some say part of the pheonix. If it wasn't for the hulk they won't have beat onslaught which is stronger than thanos, and those other cosmic level mutants.
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Onslaught is a b**** compared to Thanos dude. Trust me, if you had ever read any cosmic comics then you would know that Onslaught really never showed off any abilities beyond that of a herald of Galactus, which Thanos slaps around like play things. Thanos possesses arguably the highest intelect in all of the Marvel Universe and is also regarded as one of if not the best telepaths (Xavier and Franklin Richards couldn't hold a candle to him). You think taking a beating from the Hulk is impressive? Try this out:  
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 7:35am |
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Ether, did you just copy the same link as I wrote earlier today? It looks identical to me. |
i was TIRED! my mistake...
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 10:19am |
Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Originally posted by EK_Trendy
Ummmm If the argument was X-Men vs JLA then Dark Phoenix is a non-factor. Dark Phoenix was never in the X-Men, Jean Grey was. DP was simply a super enraged merging of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force that was completely out of control. That's like saying Parallax is part of the JLA because he used to be Green Lantern. Most, if not all, members of the X-Men are very low tiered characters within the Marvel Universe, whereas nearly every member of the JLA is a high tier DC character. A better topic would be JLA vs The Avengers. Each team holds several power house characters while the X-Men would get slapped around like play things by either team.
As for the Hulk vs Superman topic: Many people seem to be downplaying supes and overhyping Hulkster. Hulk DOES NOT have limitless power, and has been outclassed by several characters below superman's level. Hulk has NEVER successfully stood up to cosmic level threats whereas Superman has bested Darkseid (a F***** God), Doomsday, and Orion.
Btw, neither of those two characters are even close to the power levels of the true top tier's of
each universe. Both superman and Hulk would get squashed by the real power houses.
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Bump cosmic level strength this dude took on pure psionic energy of Onslaught which was professor xavier, mageneto, franklin richards, and some say part of the pheonix. If it wasn't for the hulk they won't have beat onslaught which is stronger than thanos, and those other cosmic level mutants.
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Onslaught is a b**** compared to Thanos dude. Trust me, if you had ever read any cosmic comics then you would know that Onslaught really never showed off any abilities beyond that of a herald of Galactus, which Thanos slaps around like play things. Thanos possesses arguably the highest intelect in all of the Marvel Universe and is also regarded as one of if not the best telepaths (Xavier and Franklin Richards couldn't hold a candle to him). You think taking a beating from the Hulk is impressive? Try this out:
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What man come on I give thanos credit as being strong as hell but the main reason he's that strong is because he has those infinity gems, and the heart of the universe if you take those from him then he wouldn't be that much a threat. Even when he had all those powers i remember some guy named drax the destroyer killed him. As for galactus if he doesn't consume life energy he dies, and the fantastic four made him run like a b****. Franklin Richards is an omega-level mutant he can make thins happen just by thinking it and he's only a kid when he becomes an adult then what? I copied this off wikipedia just to give a glimpse of his power. Franklin is a mutant
who possesses the power to warp reality on a cosmic scale, i.e., to
make any thought or desire come to fruition; conjunctively, he can
rearrange the molecular structure of matter. In the Heroes Reborn: The
Return limited series, Franklin is described as a "being whom the Celestials felt was on par with themselves."[8] In addition to reality and molecular manipulation, Franklin has vast psionic powers that have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, and astral projection.
Being a child, however, Franklin's abilities are restricted to an
extent by his limited control—at any given moment those powers could
spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk
temporary depletion in the event of overexertion. Moreover, it remains
unclear what power levels Franklin will ultimately achieve as an adult,
as several future incarnations from alternate realities have been shown to vary in power.
In terms of unrealized potential, Franklin was generally considered
for years to be the most powerful mutant in the Marvel Universe
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 11:27am |
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Originally posted by EK_Trendy
Ummmm If the argument was X-Men vs JLA then Dark Phoenix is a non-factor. Dark Phoenix was never in the X-Men, Jean Grey was. DP was simply a super enraged merging of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force that was completely out of control. That's like saying Parallax is part of the JLA because he used to be Green Lantern. Most, if not all, members of the X-Men are very low tiered characters within the Marvel Universe, whereas nearly every member of the JLA is a high tier DC character. A better topic would be JLA vs The Avengers. Each team holds several power house characters while the X-Men would get slapped around like play things by either team.
As for the Hulk vs Superman topic: Many people seem to be downplaying supes and overhyping Hulkster. Hulk DOES NOT have limitless power, and has been outclassed by several characters below superman's level. Hulk has NEVER successfully stood up to cosmic level threats whereas Superman has bested Darkseid (a F***** God), Doomsday, and Orion.
Btw, neither of those two characters are even close to the power levels of the true top tier's of
each universe. Both superman and Hulk would get squashed by the real power houses.
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Bump cosmic level strength this dude took on pure psionic energy of Onslaught which was professor xavier, mageneto, franklin richards, and some say part of the pheonix. If it wasn't for the hulk they won't have beat onslaught which is stronger than thanos, and those other cosmic level mutants.
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Onslaught is a b**** compared to Thanos dude. Trust me, if you had ever read any cosmic comics then you would know that Onslaught really never showed off any abilities beyond that of a herald of Galactus, which Thanos slaps around like play things. Thanos possesses arguably the highest intelect in all of the Marvel Universe and is also regarded as one of if not the best telepaths (Xavier and Franklin Richards couldn't hold a candle to him). You think taking a beating from the Hulk is impressive? Try this out:
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What man come on I give thanos credit as being strong as hell but the main reason he's that strong is because he has those infinity gems, and the heart of the universe if you take those from him then he wouldn't be that much a threat. Even when he had all those powers i remember some guy named drax the destroyer killed him. As for galactus if he doesn't consume life energy he dies, and the fantastic four made him run like a b****. Franklin Richards is an omega-level mutant he can make thins happen just by thinking it and he's only a kid when he becomes an adult then what? I copied this off wikipedia just to give a glimpse of his power.
Franklin is a mutant
who possesses the power to warp reality on a cosmic scale, i.e., to
make any thought or desire come to fruition; conjunctively, he can
rearrange the molecular structure of matter. In the Heroes Reborn: The
Return limited series, Franklin is described as a "being whom the Celestials felt was on par with themselves."[8] In addition to reality and molecular manipulation, Franklin has vast psionic powers that have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, and astral projection.
Being a child, however, Franklin's abilities are restricted to an
extent by his limited control—at any given moment those powers could
spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk
temporary depletion in the event of overexertion. Moreover, it remains
unclear what power levels Franklin will ultimately achieve as an adult,
as several future incarnations from alternate realities have been shown to vary in power.
In terms of unrealized potential, Franklin was generally considered
for years to be the most powerful mutant in the Marvel Universe
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Have you ever even read a comic? Your information on Thanos is flat out wrong. He only had the Infinity Gauntlet and The Heart of the Universe for a very brief amount of time each. Neither of those feats shown above were with those artifacts nor are the hundreds of other feats I could post scans of that Onslaught couldn't dream of achieving. As far as the Drax thing, Thanos did not possess either artifact at the time and Drax was specifically created to kill Thanos. Thanos has slapped Drax around countless times, the only reason he succeeded in that particular instance was because Death made it happen so Thanos could join her as her consort. Onslaught may have had potential, but he was defeated by the heroes of Earth, something that Thanos would laugh at. As for Galactus, give me a break. Galactus would curbstomp Onslaught without even batting an eye. Do you realize just how powerful Galactus really is? He is only behind The One Above All, Living Tribunal, Eternity, and Death. Galactus would either kill him or make him a herald.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:14pm |
Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Originally posted by EK_Trendy
Ummmm If the argument was X-Men vs JLA then Dark Phoenix is a non-factor. Dark Phoenix was never in the X-Men, Jean Grey was. DP was simply a super enraged merging of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force that was completely out of control. That's like saying Parallax is part of the JLA because he used to be Green Lantern. Most, if not all, members of the X-Men are very low tiered characters within the Marvel Universe, whereas nearly every member of the JLA is a high tier DC character. A better topic would be JLA vs The Avengers. Each team holds several power house characters while the X-Men would get slapped around like play things by either team.
As for the Hulk vs Superman topic: Many people seem to be downplaying supes and overhyping Hulkster. Hulk DOES NOT have limitless power, and has been outclassed by several characters below superman's level. Hulk has NEVER successfully stood up to cosmic level threats whereas Superman has bested Darkseid (a F***** God), Doomsday, and Orion.
Btw, neither of those two characters are even close to the power levels of the true top tier's of
each universe. Both superman and Hulk would get squashed by the real power houses. |
Bump cosmic level strength this dude took on pure psionic energy of Onslaught which was professor xavier, mageneto, franklin richards, and some say part of the pheonix. If it wasn't for the hulk they won't have beat onslaught which is stronger than thanos, and those other cosmic level mutants.
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Onslaught is a b**** compared to Thanos dude. Trust me, if you had ever read any cosmic comics then you would know that Onslaught really never showed off any abilities beyond that of a herald of Galactus, which Thanos slaps around like play things. Thanos possesses arguably the highest intelect in all of the Marvel Universe and is also regarded as one of if not the best telepaths (Xavier and Franklin Richards couldn't hold a candle to him). You think taking a beating from the Hulk is impressive? Try this out:
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What man come on I give thanos credit as being strong as hell but the main reason he's that strong is because he has those infinity gems, and the heart of the universe if you take those from him then he wouldn't be that much a threat. Even when he had all those powers i remember some guy named drax the destroyer killed him. As for galactus if he doesn't consume life energy he dies, and the fantastic four made him run like a b****. Franklin Richards is an omega-level mutant he can make thins happen just by thinking it and he's only a kid when he becomes an adult then what? I copied this off wikipedia just to give a glimpse of his power.
Franklin is a mutant who possesses the power to warp reality on a cosmic scale, i.e., to make any thought or desire come to fruition; conjunctively, he can rearrange the molecular structure of matter. In the Heroes Reborn: The Return limited series, Franklin is described as a "being whom the Celestials felt was on par with themselves."[8] In addition to reality and molecular manipulation, Franklin has vast psionic powers that have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, and astral projection. Being a child, however, Franklin's abilities are restricted to an extent by his limited control—at any given moment those powers could spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk temporary depletion in the event of overexertion. Moreover, it remains unclear what power levels Franklin will ultimately achieve as an adult, as several future incarnations from alternate realities have been shown to vary in power. In terms of unrealized potential, Franklin was generally considered for years to be the most powerful mutant in the Marvel Universe
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Have you ever even read a comic? Your information on Thanos is flat out wrong. He only had the Infinity Gauntlet and The Heart of the Universe for a very brief amount of time each. Neither of those feats shown above were with those artifacts nor are the hundreds of other feats I could post scans of that Onslaught couldn't dream of achieving. As far as the Drax thing, Thanos did not possess either artifact at the time and Drax was specifically created to kill Thanos. Thanos has slapped Drax around countless times, the only reason he succeeded in that particular instance was because Death made it happen so Thanos could join her as her consort. Onslaught may have had potential, but he was defeated by the heroes of Earth, something that Thanos would laugh at.
As for Galactus, give me a break. Galactus would curbstomp Onslaught without even batting an eye. Do you realize just how powerful Galactus really is? He is only behind The One Above All, Living Tribunal, Eternity, and Death. Galactus would either kill him or make him a herald.
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Like I said I know those guys are strong but they would not defeat franklin richards. It probably would be close but they won't beat him . The boy has the power of the celestials, but I will say galactus would beat him as a child but a fully powerd franklin richards galactus would not beat him. As for onslaught unforunately for him he didn't learn all his powers, he had professor x, magneto, franklin richards, and nate grey(xman) if he had mastered those power he would have $hited on galactus. The tricky thing about galactus is that he has to feed consistenly so if u catch him while he's weak then he's good as dead.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:31pm |
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Oh and what else proves franklin richards powers, he was able to bring galactus's body back together after abraxas the one that kills galactus in numerous realities then sends his decapitated head to earth kills him. Again franklin saves everyones a$$.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:33pm |
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Again, have you ever read a comic? A low powered galactus is still pretty far above a Celestial. Trust me, I understand how Galactus works and even at his lowest levels Onslaught is still just a peon compared to him. The dude took out the Annihilation wave while starving, show me anything Onslaught has done that can compare with that.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:39pm |
Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL
Oh and what else proves franklin richards powers, he was able to bring galactus's body back together after abraxas the one that kills galactus in numerous realities then sends his decapitated head to earth kills him. Again franklin saves everyones a$$. |
Yeah, with the help of Valeria Von Doom. And Franklin exhausted all of his power in the process leaving him powerless at the end. So your point is......?
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:45pm |
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it's been a while since I've done the whole comic thing but weren't the Watchers and the Beyonder like the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe? Watchers by nature won't do anything but they could. The beyonder pretty much shook up the whole damn thing in secret wars. If the DC universe doesn't have an equivalent then I think Marvel wins no?
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 1:03pm |
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just read on wiki that The Beyonder was shown and described to repel Galactus "like a bug"
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 1:16pm |
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Again, have you ever read a comic? A low powered galactus is still pretty far above a Celestial. Trust me, I understand how Galactus works and even at his lowest levels Onslaught is still just a peon compared to him. The dude took out the Annihilation wave while starving, show me anything Onslaught has done that can compare with that. |
Well we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. I think Franklin Richards can beat galactus even in earth x he became galactus having the same powers as him. We both have our opinions though.
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yeah, and i still think Hulk could whoop superman's ass too XD
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from wikipedia.. a list of all cosmic level mutants (marvel)
The Living Tribunal is the judge of the cosmic entities who ensures that the cosmic laws are obeyed,[3] and safeguards the multiverse from mystical imbalance. It has declared itself to "transcend the realms of Death and Eternity, Order and Chaos. All the opposing realities", likening itself to all spectra and scales of dualities and balance.[4] Before the Living Tribunal can act his three faces must reach a unanimous verdict; these represent Necessity, Vengeance and Equity. It claims to act as a representative for an even higher being, that has never been explicitly shown; though this higher power has been referred to as the One Above All, but only specifically in a later retconned Guardians of the Galaxy storyline. The Tribunal is generally considered to be the most powerful of all known cosmic entities. Note that the Tribunal rules over all of the Marvel Universe's alternate versions as well; an M-Body of the Living Tribunal is present in each universe of the Marvel multiverse.
Nemesis - A being formed when the seven Infinity Gems come together. It claims to exist to create universes.
Eternity - Sentience and supreme Time being of the universe. Sometimes acts in conjunction with its counterpart, Infinity. When talking to the Silver Surfer about various universal trinities the Living Tribunal likened Eternity to necessity.[4]
Death - Embodies the end that eventually comes to all living things, ranging from single cell organisms, sentient mortal beings to the universe itself. The opposite of Eternity. The Living Tribunal likened Death to vengeance.[4]
Infinity - The counterpart of Eternity, but appears as a female. Believed to embody the concept of space, and along with Eternity embodies the space/time continuum. Perhaps better described as "the other side of the coin," and not as a fully separate entity from Eternity.[5]
Oblivion - The counterpart of Death, but appears as a male. Embodies the nothingness from which everything came and will eventually return to. Perhaps better described as "the other side of the coin," and not as a fully separate entity from Death.[6]
Master Order - Embodies the universal concept of Order. Opposite of Lord Chaos. Likened to necessity by the Living Tribunal.[4]
Lord Chaos - Embodies the universal concept of Chaos. Opposite of Master Order. Together with Master Order, Lord Chaos claims to be responsible for assigning fates to mortals. Likened to vengeance by the Living Tribunal.[4] Master Order and Lord Chaos created the In-Betweener as a balance between them.
Galactus - The devourer of worlds and sole survivor of the destruction of the previous universe, reborn in the Big Bang as a "galactic ravager".[7] Although not an abstract, non-corporeal being,[1] his true form is unknown.[8] He has stated that he exists to rectify the imbalances of Eternity and Death,[9] prevents Abraxas' destructive influence on the universe, and in one alternate future initiates the creation of the next universe.[10] The Silver Surfer has stated that Galactus' death would cause an explosion with a span of 42 light years,[11] and Eternity has stated that Galactus' death would result in the eventual collapse of the universe.[12] Eternity has referred to him as the "third force of the universe", [13] he has called Eternity "father",[14] and Death has called him "my husband and father, my brother and son", as they were "born at the same moment" and are "two corners of that great triangle which is the universe".[15] The Living Tribunal likened Galactus to equity.[4]
In-Betweener - Represents the synthesis between all concepts within the universe, such as life and death, order and chaos, love and hate, god and man, impotence and omnipotence. However, it resents its servitude to Order and Chaos, and has tried to break free several times. The In-Betweener was directly created by Order and Chaos and is looked upon by them as an agent. The Living Tribunal likened it to equity.[4]
The Phoenix Force- The Phoenix is the culmination of all psionic energy that exists, has existed, or ever will exist, via sentient life, it has been described as "a manifestation of the Prime Life-force" and "the passion of creation". In the universe which existed before the current Marvel Universe, the Phoenix Force saved all life from damnation, ensuring that Galan of Taa remained alive long enough to meet and unite with the Sentience of the Universe, to be reborn as Galactus in the current creation. It has a tendency to materially manifest via telepathic mortals. At other times, it is known to exist as a non-conscious essence of nature, devoid of interaction with the physical realms. The Phoenix Force is usually associated with the mortal mutants Jean Grey, or Rachel Summers who serve as avatars/hosts of the Phoenix Force.
Celestials - A race of cosmic beings with several human-like qualities. Apparently, they guide cosmic evolution to create new beings such as themselves, and possess power enough to create entire universes, or contain such within themselves.[16] They have numerous possible origins.
Cosmic Cubes - Objects of great power. Not always cubical, and in such cases referred as "cosmic containment units".[17] Created by the Beyonders to test the concept of desire in mortal beings. They can grant wishes, but eventually are "born" into individual entities. The Shaper of Worlds, Kubik, and Kosmos are all former cosmic cubes.[18] Possess power enough to erase galaxies from existence,[19] attain galactic size and create universes,[18] or collapse one upon itself.[20]
Stranger – A cosmic mystery. The Living Tribunal once stated that on the empty fourth side of its skull "there could have been the face of the Stranger", and "I bestride all dualities, but I am not unified! I judge the dualities, and must thus know their nature! I who could be all must be but a part! I must be apart!"[4] The Stranger initially claimed to be a composite being, the result of the planet Gigantus' population merged into one entity, although this is likely a lie told by the Stanger to keep his true origin shrouded in mystery. The Stranger himself may not know his true origins, thus making him a stranger even to himself.
Kronos- Once the ruler of Eternals of Earth. One of his experiments blew his atoms apart, so he now exists as a humanoid Nebula. Apparently considered a cosmic entity with control over time.[21]
Anomaly - A bizarre being that embodied exceptions to all things. It existed in a state similar to that of Chronos, but was killed (and its position and power assumed) by Oblivion's agent, Maelstrom. However, it was later shown to have been resurrected[1].
Eon - Responsible for choosing the Protectors of the Universe, mortal champions elected to face one specific menace to life in the universe each. Killed by Maelstrom, but succeeded by its "daughter" Epoch.
Origin - A being apparently responsible for the existence of all superheroes and villains, by manipulating events and implanting ideas in their minds. Needs to incarnate in living bodies. Its enemy is the Un-Being.
Un-Being - An agent of Oblivion, seeks to kill Origin and erase all reality. Apparently also needs to incarnate in living bodies[2].
The Beyonders are a race from outside the main physical universe. Their form and purpose is unknown. It is known that they exist outside of linear time, and that they created the Cosmic Cubes.[18]
The Infinites[3] - Higher-dimensional entities far above Eternity, who once tried to 'align' the universe to a more balanced and efficient configuration. They are using planet-sized Servitors and Walkers to act as representatives and workers in lower realms.[22]
The Proemial Gods[4] - Seemingly extinct. "Conceived through intent" by the Universe itself in the earliest stages of the creation event, as "order to balance chaos", and "caretakers", "tasked to maintain cosmic consonance". When Diableri of Chaos wished to impose his own will upon the Universe, a civil war broke out amongst them. Eventually, Diableri brought the war to Galactus. Galactus personally slew Diableri, and imprisoned the latter's two main lieutenants, Tenebrous of the Darkness Between and Aegis Lady of All Sorrows, possibly along with Antiphon the Overseer, within the Kyln.[23]
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 1:23pm |
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yeah, and i still think Hulk could whoop superman's ass too XD |
off course without a doubt. Thats what I was talking about originally then I got side tracked.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 1:42pm |
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it's been a while since I've done the whole comic thing but weren't the Watchers and the Beyonder like the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe? Watchers by nature won't do anything but they could. The beyonder pretty much shook up the whole damn thing in secret wars. If the DC universe doesn't have an equivalent then I think Marvel wins no? |
lmao
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LMAO
"I am summoned when innocent blood is shed, and you have shed innocent blood"
sounded so funny i seriously laughed out loud.
"This.... is no game" lmao
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The sun was high and so was I
- Best Coast
psn: HardhatTuna
XBL: Tuna is QnL
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