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Drastic Times Calls For Drastic Measures

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    Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 10:38am
So yah I think we have finally reached the point where we are just wondering around in the dark, hardly anything is happening.. only a few of us are trying to help and thinking of new ideas to help and even few less are doing something with those ideas.

And after hearing the bad news that there will not be another UT for a long time, it leaves us only with UT3, the game that we all love and hate, and we have no other choice then to do something extreme or just drop it once and for all, because this "I'm leaving, I'm back, I'm leaving just a bit and still keep complaining how bad the games are on the forums and only start drama"

So like I already said (and don't start crying or go all wild before carefully and considering these ideas) drastic times calls for drastic measures.

Again THE ONLY THING I'm asking is to consider and trying to accept these ideas!

Personally I think deleting the whole clanbase and putting a maximum number of clans will help get rid of all the messy and inactive clans. And with maximum number I mean something drastically like 10.
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good idea, i think its not to late to use the ladders either.. there has to be enough players still playing this game to get a handful of ladder matches done every week or so.
 
maybe some of the larger teams should think about their role in the community, and decide do we wanna just be the pub masters or should we maybe make smaller teams and get back into clan battling
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Supreme_Venom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 10:45am
Also with only a maximum numbers of clans I can see allot more Clan battles and more competitive playing happening. I know allot of people are going to cry for their inactive clans but someone has to be a parent and do whats best for you and the community. Because it seems that most of us are far from being adults in the community.
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Yeah I wouldn't be against this either...I doubt clans are going to want to do it but it might be the best thing for us to do.
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when you say put a maximum number of clans, are you saying like 10 people in the clan? or just 10 clans in all? if you mean just 10 clans you're adding tons of people to rosters.. the again i have no idea how many "active" clans we really have anymore -_-

edit: i think just 10 in a clan would be smarter, but thats just me
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i always believed you dont need 15 people to be good. Roll with 7 at the most and your straight.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pinnacle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 3:41pm
lol. And who's going to decide which teams are active and which team aren't? If ckc is taking up too much space on this site, delete us.
 
I still don't understand how there can be a clan limit? I thought people were first b****ing that there aren't enough clans, now they are b****ing that there are too many clans? I find this commical. This isn't a league, with a draft, contracts etc. How are you going to force teams to dismantle just because they are not active on this site? Take SW for example. I thought they are not active and saw 4 players in a match today.
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Nice idea but realistically a community is organic and it will succeed or fail naturally. If you start to tinker as in clan leaders governing clans strictly or clan regulation via elite members in the community then you will have to accept the responsibility that comes with it. Clans are complex in their make up, I doubt that there are many truly active clans that have 6-8 members on at the same time (I can only think of 1 maybe 2 clans tops). How exactly are you going to achieve this? I'm just asking not being dismissive of creativity but to this you must have conceived a plan to accomplish this right?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 3:47pm
So we have to start giving out pink slips to members in the big clans? I think there is enough pink slips going out in the world lol
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Also, what does "active" mean? Most people don't see a lot of the behind the scenes action that some teams have. Just because they don't anounce it doesn't mean they are inactive.
 
Like I said before, if ckc is taking up unwanted space, delete our thread. I don't think anyone would feel offended. that will be one less team to worry about on your list of "active" clans.
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Originally posted by JPINATOR

So we have to start giving out pink slips to members in the big clans? I think there is enough pink slips going out in the world lol

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every clan is different and will have the number that fits their "specific" needs. anyone in iAM can leave when and if they want. guns aren't pointed at their heads. so in short the size of the clan should'nt matter, however with a large group of people it enables them to play every mode on a more frequent basis. with a smaller team i myself might have a harder time coordinating matches because you are limited and some players may be a no show due to REAL LIFE obligations.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JakeT111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 6:06pm
In reality you can't police how many clans a game has, nor how many members each one has. As nice as the idea of having a certain amount of "active" clans sounds, I don't think it's practical. Playing the same people over and over might get stale too.

Or have I mis-interpreted this?
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man JP sent me a pink slip today and it was the best one ive tasted so i guess im a free agent now
 
Is there a free agent thread?
some jerk off had tim tebow on it!
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I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (what I said at least)...it's no big deal to me to leave it as it is or change it. It was just an interesting thought that I wouldn't be opposed to...not like I was suggesting or pushing deleting any clans! lol!  Absolutely not!  There would need to be a lot more discussion than this poll to decide if there would be any changes.

I don't think having restrictions on a clan's size is realistic...like Fase said it all depends on the situation.  I missed that part at the end about a maximum number of clans as well...that I don't think would work either.

As a basic concept I understand what Venom is driving at, it would need more thought to be a plan though.  Also, if clans are happy with how things are now then you have to leave it alone.  I agree with Trinity as well...about it being an organic thing that will grow or die either way.

I think if you spend some more time thinking about how you would accomplish this taking into account the feelings of the existing clans you might end up with something not so drastic that might be acceptable to people.  I know that was the point of your thread...being drastic...but still...in the end people usually don't like being told what to do and that's a big part of your current idea.


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LOL xplorer yeah there is but we aren't welcome on it anymore ;)
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and people must remember that just because your clan lists several people, not all those people are real active or active at all....our clan for example has about 8-9 people that play regularly, and by regularly I mean 2-3 times a week...Right now we are at our set mark and not recruiting anyone else...however if someone wants "50" members that's their prerogative...there may be a lot of diks on here but this isn't a dictatorship 
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Originally posted by SRC_ROLLTIDE

LOL xplorer yeah there is but we aren't welcome on it anymore ;)
oh well i guess i will be a free agent for ever
and i guess i dont understand the point of this poll r we agreeing to making captains and picking all over middle school kickball style well then i call first pick i get chris
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Originally posted by WOPR-1

I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (what I said at least)...it's no big deal to me to leave it as it is or change it. It was just an interesting thought that I wouldn't be opposed to...not like I was suggesting or pushing deleting any clans! lol!  Absolutely not!  There would need to be a lot more discussion than this poll to decide if there would be any changes.

I don't think having restrictions on a clan's size is realistic...like Fase said it all depends on the situation.  I missed that part at the end about a maximum number of clans as well...that I don't think would work either.

As a basic concept I understand what Venom is driving at, it would need more thought to be a plan though.  Also, if clans are happy with how things are now then you have to leave it alone.  I agree with Trinity as well...about it being an organic thing that will grow or die either way.

I think if you spend some more time thinking about how you would accomplish this taking into account the feelings of the existing clans you might end up with something not so drastic that might be acceptable to people.  I know that was the point of your thread...being drastic...but still...in the end people usually don't like being told what to do and that's a big part of your current idea.
 
Yah I guess you're right.. I don't mean anything bad by it or intend to do something evil.
 
My point with doing something drastic is that people might finally wake up and say wth! Because right now we are just walking around in circles.
 
And if there would be a well thought plan for doing everything over again is so that we have more control on whats going on in the future.
 
With deleting the clanbase and re-adding the clans on request you can really see which are the active clans. But I don't know, there allot of ways.
 
In the end I just want whats best for everyone.. currently the players have more control over iamgaming, which is good! BUT you can't run a country without any leaders, as you can see there is just to much drama and nothing is happening. Someone has to say "We are going to do this, We are going to do that" And if its to harsh then we can do a poll or discuss about it.
 
Also I think the most important thing right now is to focus all the energy on competitive playing, and thats where my idea of sizing down the number of clans is coming from.
 
Something has to happen, someone has to say something, if its not me, then who will? And right now, nothing is happening and the only thing I can do is say something.
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Originally posted by Supreme_Venom

Originally posted by WOPR-1

I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (what I said at least)...it's no big deal to me to leave it as it is or change it. It was just an interesting thought that I wouldn't be opposed to...not like I was suggesting or pushing deleting any clans! lol!  Absolutely not!  There would need to be a lot more discussion than this poll to decide if there would be any changes.

I don't think having restrictions on a clan's size is realistic...like Fase said it all depends on the situation.  I missed that part at the end about a maximum number of clans as well...that I don't think would work either.

As a basic concept I understand what Venom is driving at, it would need more thought to be a plan though.  Also, if clans are happy with how things are now then you have to leave it alone.  I agree with Trinity as well...about it being an organic thing that will grow or die either way.

I think if you spend some more time thinking about how you would accomplish this taking into account the feelings of the existing clans you might end up with something not so drastic that might be acceptable to people.  I know that was the point of your thread...being drastic...but still...in the end people usually don't like being told what to do and that's a big part of your current idea.
 
Yah I guess you're right.. I don't mean anything bad by it or intend to do something evil.
 
My point with doing something drastic is that people might finally wake up and say wth! Because right now we are just walking around in circles.
 
And if there would be a well thought plan for doing everything over again is so that we have more control on whats going on in the future.
 
With deleting the clanbase and re-adding the clans on request you can really see which are the active clans. But I don't know, there allot of ways.
 
In the end I just want whats best for everyone.. currently the players have more control over iamgaming, which is good! BUT you can't run a country without any leaders, as you can see there is just to much drama and nothing is happening. Someone has to say "We are going to do this, We are going to do that" And if its to harsh then we can do a poll or discuss about it.
 
Also I think the most important thing right now is to focus all the energy on competitive playing, and thats where my idea of sizing down the number of clans is coming from.
 
Something has to happen, someone has to say something, if its not me, then who will? And right now, nothing is happening and the only thing I can do is say something.
No you do have a point we wont last 2 more years unless we make things happen for ourselves. Also i admire anyone who tries to come up with a positive solution. Yours is to rejuvenate the community and it has merit in its proposal but practically its too radical so its a no-go imo. The only way I can perceive this working is if you had another league but maybe segregated by modes and then divisions if necessary. You could get peeps to form their teams NOT clans and if you place regulation on teams then you might accomplish your goal and stimulate the UT3 community. Like TWO_FASE said peeps are free go as they plz and generally there's a lot of movement in clans anyway. If this upsets the balance of clans and changes the landscape then so be it. Nobody is forcing anyone to do a damn thing so, no sweat! I was just curious if you gave your idea much thought or you were just throwing a suggestion out to the ma**es to stimulate interest. Anyway your ball mate, what's your next move?
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Originally posted by iAM_xplorer2233

man JP sent me a pink slip today and it was the best one ive tasted so i guess im a free agent now
 
Is there a free agent thread?
some jerk off had tim tebow on it!


*gasp* I would never do such a thing! You are too important for this clan, you bring comic relief!!!
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Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

  Anyway your ball mate, what's your next move?
 
I just wanted to see how many people where thinking on my level, and it seems to be a tie for now.
 
I'm gonna wait with my "next move" until the iAM Duel Tourney, if the tourney seems to be a succes without people saying "I join but I know I will lose" or "I'm not joining because I know I will lose" then there might be hope after all.
 
I'm hoping to see at least 16 players in the line up, anything less just shows that there are not enough competitive players to make things happen, and if that seems to be case there is nothing much I, Rico, Remy, Drokun, WOPR or anyone else can do to make something more out of this community. It would mean that the community will be forever stuck in this situation, where we are walking around in circles, with no dedication, and only using iAMgaming as a chatroom and playing the game for fun.
 
You can't have fun all the time if there is nothing dedicated or serious to work for. Vacation wouldn't be a vacation unless you would be working for your money. Why would this be any different?
 
And thats why my friend I suggested to delete everything, forget the past with all of its bull****, everyone gets a fresh new clean start, new rules will be in order and finally make something happen.
 
But hey, I can't force anyone that wants to keep playing the game for "fun" and keep doing pubs all the time (which can be allot of fun)
 
But if you want to particepate in this reather big community, then you must participate with dedication. Or else you are just leeching of the community. (equals someone that can work for his money in real life but reathers choose to stay home and watch t.v all day and do nothing to contribute, because thats whats going on here)
 
And thats why something has to happen to wake up those people and get them off their lazy a**.
I can say without any doubt that most of the votes of letting everything stay as it is now are the ones that don't wanna contribute, don't have any dedication and let iamgaming to be a chatroom where nothing but bull**** is happening. (And those that feel offended, are just going to deny that) Just like a addict to a game, drug or whatever that say's "I'm not addicted, I can stop whenever I want" BS and thats Final.
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