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sickboogiemurder 
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Pinnacle
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Posted: 28 Aug 2009 at 9:19am |
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Boogie, that documentary has gotten a lot of attention and a lot of people are getting pissed off at the government. the most interesting part is the segment about the Federal Reserve Bank, which is a private bank.
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sickboogiemurder
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I like it it was very informational like the zeitgeist docs, really opens your eyes on to whats really going on.
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Watching that took awhile. It was well worth the time invested. While I disagree with some (very few) of the conclusions, it's real hard to deny the facts in it.
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Heard a lot about this but I'm not wasting 2 hours on something of no concern to me (American Politics) but these whole conspiracy theories do interest me, whatever they're on... so what are these main points?
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HanFei
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The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects. As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government." http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm |
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Really?!? List of ridiculous quotes.
1) All governments are manipulated by a world bank. Presidents just change over time. ~17min (No other evidance provided.) 2) Suckering the middle cla** back into the stock market. (Stock market is bad???) 3) Dictatorial world government kept behind the shadows for our benefit. ~19min (Wow, just Wow...) 4) US the formerly powerful nation state ~37min (We still have the #1 economy = to about China, Japan and China combined!) http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=highest+gdp 5) Presidents come and go, but the shadow government remains to keep. ~43min (Really?!? no other prof) 6) Arrest Ben Bernanky. 55:15min http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html 7) Fed is Unaccountable banker. 56min (Simply incorrect, as seen by my post above.) 8) Fed is totally private. ~1 hour (Blatantly inaccurate, as seen by my above post.) 9) No one is above the law... ~1:01hour (Well, I'm glad we established that... lol) 10) Implode and concolade the economcy. ~1:03hou (Really?!?) 11) "They" are always imploding economies and buying them up ~1:04) (Really?!?) 12) "Anthropogenic global warming is a fraud. 1:25hour (Second post to come. How he can disprove Anthropogenic Climate Change in a few minutes of dialogue, while PhDs have published thousands of peer reviewed papers is beyond me...) 13) Rapper speaks again. ~1:46hour (I'm glad such a distinguished and learned individual is lecturing us.) 14) There is a million people in the planet. ~1:47hour (6.67Billion He's 3 orders of magnitude off...) http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+population I would like to point out that this video is produced by Alex Jones, who spent the last 7 years claiming that the terrorist attacks of 9-11 were a conspiracy planned and orchestrated by the Bush Administration. No matter how much you may hate Obama (if you do or don't, I don't care...), you don't like Alex Jones. |
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HanFei
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Regathering #12,
There is a consensus for anthropogenic climate change by the following organizations: - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - National science academies of the G8+5 - InterAcademy Council - International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences - European Academy of Sciences and Arts - Network of African Science Academies - National Research Council (US) - European Science Foundation - American a**ociation for the Advancement of Science - Federation of American Scientists - World Meteorological Organization - American Meteorological Society - Royal Meteorological Society (UK) - Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society - Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society - Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences - International Union for Quaternary Research - American Quaternary a**ociation - Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London - International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics - International Union of Geological Sciences - European Geosciences Union - Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences - Geological Society of America - American Geophysical Union - American Astronomical Society - American Institute of Physics - American Physical Society - American Chemical Society - American Society for Microbiology - Institute of Biology (UK) - World Federation of Public Health a**ociations - American College of Preventive Medicine - American Public Health a**ociation - American Medical a**ociation - American Statistical a**ociation - Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia) - Water Environment Federation - Chartered Institution of Water and Environmental Management - Federal Climate Change Science Program (US) That is neither political, bad science, or pseudoscience, in contrast to statements at an 1:25 hour in the film. - HanFei |
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The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects. As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
HanFei, The Federal Reserve Bank and all of it's branches are all PRIVATE. They have never ever been a part of the US government. They are owned by shareholders of stock. The Federal Reserve System, and the branches, are operated by the major banks in the WORLD, which are all publicly traded banks, owned by shareholders. As such, the Federal Reserve is a private entity, owned by the shareholders of the controlling banks. Also, the Federal Reserve has many unique atttributes. For example, instead of issuing "stock" directly, the Federal Reserve issues a special type of "bond". It's not much different than a C-Corp. It's not a governement entity.
Every entity, under American law is either owned by people (or other business entities) or by the government. There aren't any other American entities by law that the US government recognizes. The US recognition of American institutions are based on the tax code. The confusion regarding The Federal Reserve started over a hundred years ago. The people of the US were truly scared that a private bank had reached a level where they can control American economics, world economic, stock markets, etc. Thus Congress enacted the Federal Reserve Act, creating the Federal Reserve System. This was a lousy attempt at trying to squash the confusion, by making the Federal Reserve the bank of choice of the US government. They have absolutely no control over the decisions or operations on this bank. The bank is not a profit making machine? Really? It loans money to the US government, private/public banks, international governments, and at a very high interest rate. They make money. They are not a registered non-profit organization. The stimulus bill was a money making mechanism. A lot of the money disperse to the banks were based on the interest the loan would produce. It's in the bill. The US government took a loan out on the entire amount fromt he Federal Reserve at a significant interest rate, and the collateral was taxpayer's revenue over 10 years. As such, most people just a**ume that the Federal Reserve is a government entity. There is nothing government about it. The US government, through the Act, have created some formalities which make it appear as though the US government has control over this bank, but the truth is the world banks run the show and the US government doesn't. The President's appointment of the Chairman is nothing significant. It's like having a chairman of the board, a worthless position. Don't a**ume that the chairman of the board has some special powers. This person does nothing more than run meetings. If the Government appointed the CEO, which they don't, it'd be a whole different story. Also, there are dozens of great books on this subject. Pick one up. It makes for great reading from a US history, Economics, Tax, and legal standpoint. I can go on about this for hours, but the simple truth is, "The Fed" is a private enitity, seperate and disticnt from the US government.
I recommend asking any reputabe person at any major financial institution who they think the Federal Reserve is. If they truly understand banking and the markets, the response they give you will be enlightening.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2009 at 12:41pm |
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That whole section was taken verbatim from their website.
I think both of our statements say similar things with slightly different connotation. For instance, you said, "It's not a government entity," while I referenced, "independent within the government." Both are comparable. Regardless of the banks public or private nature. The Fed is neither as bad nor powerful as this documentary made them out to be. As an aside, I am not well versed on banking practices at a national or international level. |
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all documentaries like this are WARPED. that's why i don't waste my time with them.
one of the best documentaries i have ever seen is religiolous with bill maur
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Ok so, they never denied the fact that our planet is warming up they explained why the planet was warming up, and how it is not ralated to human activity, but more to astronomical events such as sun spots. The government is trying to put carbon taxes in place, trying to make the people feel as if it's our fault the Earth is warming up when there is proof that this has happened before throughout different periods of time. The point of that section is not to disprove global climate change but to show you that we are not the problem like they are making it seem, it's just another scare tactic like 9-11 that will allow them to put their plan into motion.
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i do not agree with you at all. everyone knows that the earth goes through cycles, but we are speeding up the process.
and did you say global warming was caused by sun spots? LMAO everyone always has to disagree, even if the facts are right in front of them. you probably think water vapor is another reason why the earth is heating up. i agree with hanfei
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sickboogiemurder
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Why are you in here laughing at me? What do you have to add to this arguement? So far you haven't contributed anything, so you're only in here to criticize people? Go to the Fist's of Fury thread and have at it, but keep your useless BS out of this thread please.
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Believe it or not, the Sun actually has everything to do with Earths tempature. Sun Spot's actually have alot to do with what the Earth is going to be like in terms of tempature. The one thing i can add to this argument is how Al Gore, and the carbon tax is all complete bull****. Global harming is a political theme set up to sucker people. The Sun has everything to do with the Earth's Tempature, not humans. And if you to contest on this, i will prove to everyone undoubtly that Global Warming is bull****, and the carbon tax that Nations around the world want to enforce is literally a phony act put up to steal peoples money. |
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lol my bad. i won't do it again, me lord.
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okay man, of course the sun has an effect on the earths temperature. but are you kidding me? you can prove to me global warming is a fraud? go ahead, prove it. i'm not trying to start an argument, i am just interested in what you have to say.
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I guarantee you they, they being the Fed, are as bad and powerful as that movie make them out to be. Anyone who continues to follow them blindly, as most of our population does, will be smited for their ignorance. The fact that the North American Union exists and has been kept out of the public eye, is proof of how powerful they are, and documentation of things have said is proof as to how bad they are. Other countries have already gone through this and were broken down easily, America is here to fight we wont just sit back and let them do what they want and they know that. It's the main reason not many people know about things like the North American Union, The Bank of the World, and The Elite Shadow Governments that exist. But thanks to some of the top investigative journalists, their lies have been brought to the surface. Most people don't want to believe these things, because of this blanket of deceit that has been spread across the world, but how can you deny them when these predictions have already started to come true, when there is proof of their power. They don't want us to know their true motives because if we did, they know that people would revolt. They have done a brilliant job on keeping us in the dark but that is over now and I'll repeat what earlier anyone who continues to follow them blindy WILL be smited for their ignorance it is inevitable. |
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Ok so I don't agree with what Helscream is saying completely but let me throw my opinion in here, Global Warming is happening but once again I'm going to say it's not because of mankind. The point the video is trying to make is that they are trying to deceive us into thinking it is our fault so that we will see some light in this ma**ive lie. Deceive by definition means to mislead by a false appearance or statement; delude. That's exactly what they are doing right now by saying that it is all our fault that the Earth is warming up when in reality The main reason the Earth is starting to warm up is because of the suns spots that are apearing on the sun over the last decade. If you don't believe then go look it up see how many sun spots have appeared in the last few years. How do we effect the Sun? We don't, the Sun is like "God" it gives life to this planet, it also has the power to take it away, it's basically natural selection. It has been proven that these maximuns heats and minimums heats have already happened, before on Earth before there were all these vehicles and over populated areas were here. It's has been shown that astronomical events also affect the other planets not only ours. Saying Global Warming is a fruad isnt saying Global warming is fake its saying it is a fraud. Fraud by definition deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage. They aren't trying to disprove it they are trying to open up peoples eyes as to the true reason we are heating up.
One thing, how is a cattle flatulence tax going to help Global Warming?
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Anyone who knows me, knows that I am not a fan of Obama. However, that does not keep me from thinking objectively. Did anyone see the Loose Change Conspiracy Video about 911? I liken this vid to that. I don't give much credence to conspiracy theories. There is one commonality among them all. They take a handfull of coincedences and conjecture and present them as irrefutable evidence that something horrible is going on. Completely ignoring the mountain of evidence to the contrary. In regards to Global Warming, it's just another fallacy that has been politicized to death. In the 70's it was Global Cooling that the left was terrorizing us with. http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm Now, you look @ wikipedia and it is looked at as pure conjecture. Just 30 years later, we have the Global Warming scare. Will we look back on this latest theory as conjecture? I believe so. What will be the next manufactured natural disaster? Al Gore said when he was in office that we had 10 years before there was no turning back. We have surpa**ed those 10 years. Since the high priest at the church of global warming says we beyond the point of no return. Why do we still argue this issue? Perhaps it's because the left terrorizes us with global warming the same way the right terrorizes us with imminent terror attacks. Lastly, I would like to hear from all of you that believe the Aesop fable we call global warming. I'd like to hear what you personally are doing to help save the earth. Cheers. |
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Cokken, to help global warming, I BBQ ever day. I hate those cows that keep screwing it up for all of us with cars that get 12 mpg.
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Keep up the good work!
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I burn the following each month:
800 gallons of diesel in the boat - important work related trips ;-)
132 gallons of gas in the truck - getting to the boat and back
70 gallons of gas in the car - have no idea where she goes with that thing, but burns the gas
1 propane tank for the BBQ - I gotta eat
**Carbon Credits wanted**
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Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases yearly peer reviewed reports from scientists around the world. This is neither political, bad science, nor pseudoscience.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ Thermite and other 9/11 theories explained. http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm |
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I hope these aren't the same scientists that came up with global cooling. Besides, it is all theory at this point.
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