Religion and Politics

K my bad Silver but plz don't pull out a wiki entry then "quote" someone who is quoted without giving him a reference, it makes everything a little misleading/confusing. What is he that makes the quote significant anyway?

Originally posted by Blackfang yeah sizzle God still loves quick. There's only one unpardonable sin. And so far I haven't met anyone in life stupid enough to do it. Well technically it's done @ death. (in a way)

Would that be suicide?

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc @Death, Pipe down before i forget im a Christian and come to your house and kick your 6'3-210 pound ass lol or maybe i'll just hop on 360 and kick your ass at ctf on your own host while cursing all the campers? lol @Phantaci, my bad i didn't realise my box was full. F.U.K guys flood'd it xD its empty now @SilverJ, one thing from another religion that im invious of is *having a harum*, can you imagine having 10 beutiful wifes all dedicated to you? i can xD even though women are rather moody at times? and that would create a lot of kids? but i could handle that part! gotta take the bad with the good right? _-)

lol sorry good buddy just think people go waaaayyyy too far.  but about that offer lol, you know i only camp nasty on ps3 n everyone loves my beast net on 360 (you for one as well) and i run on 360 lol.  nothing but love for ya......... oh i forgot to tell ya im only 6'2 210 lol thought you  knew. 

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc well Death they say the first thing to go is your memory xD Seif knows how bad my memory is. i guess i gave you an extra inch then? lol

lol, n yea lets get back to ctf on 360 with my beast net everyones happy

“u can't get something from nothing“? was the big bang created by a bunch of nothing being compressed under a huge amount of pressure? xD

what was compressed causing the big bang?

think of hitting a reset button without saving? if you play a game then hit reset without saving, all proof of you playing the game is gone, but does that mean you didn't play the game? and everything you seen and done on the game didn't exist?

maybe the big bang basicaly destroyed everything, turning it all back into basic reconstructive materials? sort of like hitting a reset button. if so? what was destroyed?

that makes a lot more since then something from nothing!

mankind is only literate of what is known so far, and parts of what is known so far may be wrong? so were basicaly still in infantcy!

the possibility's are endless! so lets just let science keep assuming and proving its self wrong lol

GOD does exist! and he can prove it to you! lol

If GOD hasn't prooved it to you yet? thats on you! not GOD!   

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc just out of curiosity? if there is a GOD? and you go to Heaven for all eternity if you except GOD? and you go to hell for all eternity if you don't except GOD? there's people who would choose hell? now not beliving is one thing, but to choose hell over Heavan would just be insane! wouldn't it? who would choose damnable misery that never ends? idgi?

People ARE really stupid.

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc ^ there's a retard 4 U!!!

How am I? I am one of those people that picks Heaven over Hell.

Originally posted by Aquaknot People of faith believe there is something more after this life; good for them. Let them live in peace with their beliefs  Others believe that's the end and they turn into fertilizer; good for them. Let them live in peace with their beliefs as well.  I'm far more worried about what's for dinner than I am concerned about another mans beliefs. I ponder the mystery of the missing sock more than I concerm myself with the origins of the universe.   Socks should not just completely disappear with no apparent cause, yet they do all the time.  My theory; the rotation of the dryer somehow spins those little f***ers right out of space and time, leaving them irretrievably lost in the vast unknown.  I don't care where the universe came from, I want my damn sock back. Some things simply do not warrant debate.  Especially when there's no clear winner and either side is closed to the opinions of others.

which sin is greater? thats a great subject weather your religious or not! you can even rephrase it for non believers. which is worse?

Jesus was said to have saved a prostitute from being stoned? which wouldn't mean he agreed with prostitution! you can condem the act without condeming the person!

good people sometimes do bad things! and then there's bad or EVIL people! that love to hate and destroy happyness and life itsself. hell awaits those people imo because there the EVIL SADISTIC scum of the earth! Misery allways follows them!

but is it ok to kill someone even if there evil? though shall not kill! which means to me that im to even let myself die before taking a life.

judge not unless ye be judges! says to me even if i disagree with something someone does or even someones life style im not to judge them, or i'll be judged. as humans we arn't capable of judging someone because we can't know all the facts and the total truth about any given situation. and since menal stability at any given moment is always in question. its impossible to judge a person correctly. so you can disagree with an act or even condem the act but you shouldn't condem the person.

some things are for GOD to judge

commiting a gay act is a gay act xD taking a life is ending a persons existence on earth! which has to be at the top of the list of sins imo. right under taking your own life. where you acually have a choice.

gay marriage is not even marriage imo so who cares? if gay people want to make believe that there married by getting some fake priest to say some meaningless fake vows? don't let me stop them lol whatever gets em through there day? _-)

Originally posted by SilverJ-17 Originally posted by Blackfang yeah sizzle God still loves quick. There's only one unpardonable sin. And so far I haven't met anyone in life stupid enough to do it. Well technically it's done @ death. (in a way) Would that be suicide?

Oh yeah, if someone other than God does the killing, he gets pi$$ed.

Originally posted by Fatal1st i only read this thread when i'm bored, wherever possible i avoid replying because ignorance annoys me. before i add my two-penneth to the mixing pot i should probably make my position clear. first of all, i don't believe in "god", but i do believe in the value of freedom. i may not like your opinions, i may disagree with your beliefs, but i would fight for your right to hold them. you could call me an atheist, if you look at the common understanding of the term then that's probably the closest fit for me, but it fails to completely capture my views. i'm not ignorant enough to assume i know all the answers. the only thing i can be quite certain on is that my limited knowledge will always be dwarfed by my stupidity. it requires a degree of intelligence to accept this though, and i dare to say it's an intelligence that most people lack. secondly, in order to understand my stance, you have to recognise the total and absolute distinction i make between god and religion. i find the latter has a relationship to the former akin to a trashy celebrity magazine and the complete works of voltaire. religion quite honestly abhors me. i make no apologies for that. ever since i was old enough to think for myself i have fought to preserve my individuality and freedom. i am not a number. your code of principles is not necessarily mine. the only thing in this world that makes me an individual is my mind, my intelligence, my decisions. following someone else's interpretation of "god" is as dehumanising to me as a lobotomy.  now i've covered religion, lets move on to "god". the god that most of you idolise seems like a vindictive, homophobic, sexist little pr1ck. i reject conventional "god" entirely. he can take his commandments and use them to go fu.ck himself up the a.ss. oh wait, thats a sin, apparently.  of course there is an entity in the universe that created everything. whether that entity is sentient or simply a single rogue atom is beyond my comprehension. any more speculation beyond this point and we move into the territory of guesswork, and once we embark on guesswork then we see the birth of religion.  i am not of course implying that we shouldn't try to seek answers to the fundamental questions of the universe. as an aspirational species we crave knowledge and understanding, but there needs to be a basis to this understanding. i cannot build a house on the sand and not expect it to be washed away. ultimately, this is how i see religion.  maybe the fallible thing about religion is that humans created it, and all human's have motives, hidden agenda's, reasons behind every decision they make. call me a cynic but i'm not naive enough to think that religion was created to bring people closer to "god", that was simply a by-product of the need to produce social order. i have no doubt that religion was essential in shaping modern world, but with the advent of legal systems in the post-modern era i genuinely see it as obsolete and irrelevant. i guess these are the basics of my position on the subject, if you're intelligent enough i have no doubt that you can pick my reasoning apart. please try, i like a good debate.  ------ oh, and i had to reply to a few things sizzle said here too.. it's not an attack on syzle, just his opinions, in fairness i could have quoted 3 or 4 people from this thread and made the exact same points. syz was just lucky enough to be the one to point out all the things i disagree with in one post ;) Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc good people sometimes do bad things! and then there's bad or EVIL people! that love to hate and destroy happyness and life itsself. hell awaits those people imo because there the EVIL SADISTIC scum of the earth! Misery allways follows them! i don't think there are truely bad or evil people. there are people that make choices that lead to undesirable consequences, murderers, rapists etc, but to say that someone is "evil" implies that that element is at the core of their being. a serial killer could choose to stop killing, a paedophile could chose to express his sexuality in a different way. to say that someone is "evil" pigeon-hole's someone into conforming to their own stereotype. it is as if to say that "you killed once, so you will always be a killer, and nothing you can do will make amends for it. you will always be evil".  true, nothing the individual can do will bring the person they killed back. but if you cannot change the past you can sure as hell re-define yourself in the future. like everyone here i have made mistakes and i have done things that i'm not proud of, but my mistakes don't tell me who i am, they tell me who i'm not.  i will always give people a chance, regardless of how little they deserve it. i thought the basis of religion itself was centred around the idea that people can change, that there are principles to aspire to. yet for the most part, the christians on this site are like hitler at a bah mitzvah. Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc commiting a gay act is a gay act xD taking a life is ending a persons existence on earth! which has to be at the top of the list of sins imo. right under taking your own life. where you acually have a choice.   i could start an entirely new debate on the ethics of suicide. essentially if someone finds their life so unbearable that they don't want to live anymore, why shouldn't  they be allowed to end it? it's their body, it's their choice. of course suicide destroys lives and families, but we each have complete and total ownership of our own bodies. if we want to take that to the furthest level then we should have absolute freedom to end our lives too. but of course, that's my morality and not yours, but if i ended my life tonight i would not be a "sinner", i find the fact that someone would try to impose their morality upon me incredibly condescending. Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc gay marriage is not even marriage imo so who cares? if gay people want to make believe that there married by getting some fake priest to say some meaningless fake vows? don't let me stop them lol whatever gets em through there day? _-  so "god" tells us that love is one of the greatest things in life that we should all aspire to. it's all well and good if that love is between a woman and a man and they want to share their love with the world by taking vows. but if that love is between a man and a man, they should burn forever in hell? i guess they shouldn't have taken "love thy fellow man" so literally...