Religion and Politics

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc oh youve read the Q'ran Phantaci? i know some of the differences between the two religions, but until ive read the Bible and the Q'ran completely, i wouldn't want to post any of the differences. maybe its acually time 4 me to read the intire Bible? its the greatest book ever written they say?

I'd start with a dictionary first, you know, something that's based on facts.   *entire*

yo Lunch meathead, i would also like to bump into you in real life!!! just so you'd get to see what a real man looks like!!! and whatever else happens happens!!!

have a nice evening loser

lol u gotta be diligent to read it from genesis to revelation.

Originally posted by Blackfang Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc oh youve read the Q'ran Phantaci? i know some of the differences between the two religions, but until ive read the Bible and the Q'ran completely, i wouldn't want to post any of the differences. maybe its acually time 4 me to read the intire Bible? its the greatest book ever written they say?     nah when i was younger i use to have the question well how the heck do i know if my faith is the right one. so i read up a bit on Jews and then i read a bit of islam basics. you know just their views on the beginning and the end. and their views on Christ now im soldout lol   and if your gonna read the Bible its best to start with the New testament. hell if anything start with revelation ;)

I'm going kind of slow, but I'm going from Genesis to Revelation.  I figure that even if I go back to being Atheist or stay on the fence that I should at least know my enemy.. what the religion is about.  Maybe, I should look into getting a Quran and whatever the Jewish holy book is, so I can understand those better as well.

also, there have been a few threads/posts where some people here would claim superiority as well as a moral/spiritual high ground over "non-believers" (yes this thread included)....

“You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of everyone else. For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”(Mark 10:42-45)

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc yo Lunch meathead, i would also like to bump into you in real life!!! just so you'd get to see what a real man looks like!!! and whatever else happens happens!!! have a nice evening loser

See what a real man looks like? I know what a real man looks like, I see my Grandfather 3 times a year.
Awesome, the 4th annoying internet punk to say that to me on here. Funny how many messages I get from people on here (people I consider intelligent no less) saying what a band of idiots you are. So one of three things are possible.

1. I'm delusional and misread everything.   
2. I'm just delusional and people lie to me.    
3. Or your the crazy person in the asylum claiming your not crazy. That's a metaphor by the way. Met-a-for -Noun;   comparable instances through association. Just incase you get confused.

lol they would never allow it in most situations :(

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Christians seem to be the only people left on earth that are held to a higher standard?it seems that chopping off peoples heads, honor killings, and blowing up inocent people just doesn't seem to matter as much in some circles?apples to oranges doesn't even come close to the difference in burning Q'rans compared to ^ those three things!

the ONLY ones held to a higher standard? no...but what u are doin here Syz is saying "i know they are doing something wrong but its ok because other people have done worse things"i want an honest response here from you and if ud rather PM it to me thats fine, but lets say you killed a man (this is a hypothetical), so u murder a man...once u die God asks u why u killed another person...would you really tell him, "oh its ok, because other people have done worse things than i have."?

ur justifying an act that ur own god preached against (hate & intolerance)

Originally posted by TX2k7 Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Christians seem to be the only people left on earth that are held to a higher standard?it seems that chopping off peoples heads, honor killings, and blowing up inocent people just doesn't seem to matter as much in some circles?apples to oranges doesn't even come close to the difference in burning Q'rans compared to ^ those three things! the ONLY ones held to a higher standard? no...but what u are doin here Syz is saying "i know they are doing something wrong but its ok because other people have done worse things"i want an honest response here from you and if ud rather PM it to me thats fine, but lets say you killed a man (this is a hypothetical), so u murder a man...once u die God asks u why u killed another person...would you really tell him, "oh its ok, because other people have done worse things than i have."?ur justifying an act that ur own god preached against (hate & intolerance)

see now your telling me that im justify'n the burning of Q'rans? even though i said that i strongly disagree with them doing it?

no! my point is that your annoyed and even anger'd by some “so called” Christains saying there going to burn some Q'rans yet ive never seen any post of yours stating anything about muslims that annoys or angers you?

and you speak of tolerance and respect for other cultures, yet your annoyed and anger'd and therefore intolerant of a few people that say there going to burn some Q'rans? do you have any idea how many bibles and American flags are burnt even in this Country? a lot more then the few Q'rans those “so called” Christians are talking about burning.

i never once said its ok to burn Q'rans! and ive already posted that tolerance and respect for all people is the Christain way. but all people that call themselves Christians don't necessarily abide by that.

i will say this though, just because i don't think its ok to burn Q'rans doesn't mean it isn't! this is a free country! a Country of law! so if its not against the law then you can do it! weather someone else likes it or not!

why has a small story about 50 people talking about burning some Q'rans gotten so big? even general Patreus is commenting on it? and he's in aphganistan in charge of our troops? is certain media fanning the flame? if so why?

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i dont hate them for their actions but it does sadden me, but i respect and accept that they will follow their beliefs as they see fit, tho i may not agree with it... and again (i want this to be understood) my frustration and yes a little anger, is NOT aimed at them, it is aimed at the fact that this kind of situation exists. i want u to understand that.

Originally posted by Syzygy i never once said its ok to burn Q'rans!

nor did i say u did....the thought never crossed my mind nor would i assume u felt that way. perhaps instead of justifying i shouldve said "u were tryng to lessen the importance of this event by comparing it to the actions of other people, that are regarded as more serious" or at leas u made it appear that way.

Haven't we beat this subject to death already? No one is gonna change their mind about such a profound idea over an internet forum. Let me just say this: I have no problem with people believing in what they want to believe in. I do, however, have a problem with people pushing their ideals onto someone else (as demonstrated by syzygy's first post) and especially when religion enters the political arena.

pushing your ideas on someone else Trendy? hm? if you want to see it that way thats up to you. tell me this, what better way could i of started the discussion? < anyone?

let me say that i personally don't worry about religious differences! and this discussion isn't about my personal beliefs! its about different oppinions! although i am of the strong oppinion that every intelligent person should atleast try to reach GOD! because i believe its very important! i didn't have to make a thread like this knowing full well how some people are about religious people. and adding polotics because religion and politics are rarely ever seperate in reality!

we can all discuss and give oppinions on weather GOD exists, and what GOD is. my suggestion is try to reach GOD and see for yourself. if thats pushing my beliefs on someone else like Trendy says then thats what im doing. i am suggesting that 4 sure!

as far as politics goes? Supreme court justices set precedence! therefore they decide specific cases and set future stature!

weather your talking about civil rights, abortion, prayer in the classroom or pretty much anything leagal they have the final say! and there appointed by politicians! so what type of justice you get depends on how you vote.

so you need to know as much as possible about a politician before votivg for them! what do they really stand for?

lets take abortion as an example. this Country is devided on this issue? the Supreme court decides weather or not abortion is leagal!

heres one that should give you pause! denying medical care to a baby? is that good or evil? it is voted on! how in hell does that even need to be voted on? anyone that would vote to deny medical care to a baby for any reason has to be evil in my book! because that goes far beyond right and wrong! but people have voted to deny medical care to baby's in the case of botched abortion!

these are some examples of why politics is important and how your religious and or moral beliefs need to be represented by your politicians. weather a person is religious or not they should have some kind of morals.

i hope i don't need to exlain where im coming from xD