SCIENCE

the only thing that fascinates me is the workings of the human brain. everything else is just to sustain and feed the brain.

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Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy yes Dagon but take for instance if we agree that evolution (mystically appearing to prevail over the existing chaos or randomness of existence) the force that drives us to progress, why does evolution exist IF there is no purpose in progression. Where is it taking us except back into the soil from which we came? Whats the point in progress if it leads to nothing? Why didn't we simply stay at amoeba or simple organisms? Instead we have developed intricate organs and systems that ensure we survive.

Trinity, you're asking me for the point of life.

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy Originally posted by -DaGoN- I had a conversation with someone that was really interesting. For this topic.   Please, if you're not gonna read this carefully and open minded, don't read it at all.   See, last night I talked to someone over PSN voice chat for 2 hours. At one point, I don't quite remember how we got there, he was talking about when you are alone, it can also be in public but your still on your own, he sometimes has like a moment of clarity, when everything suddenly becomes clear. It's like you see yourself from above then, not visually but your emotions, your feelings and your problems. And with that the answers. For example he used to take drugs, some harder drugs. He had a very hard childhood, not the nicest parents. And people kept telling him how he has to stop taking those drugs, and it never had a use to him. But one time, when he took some pills again and was sitting alone, he realized, just like that, that he went too far, that he has to stop. He finally got there himself. And THAT, that is what I found at some point familiar, but mostly I found it extremely wise. He managed to deal with his problems, his horrible childhood HIMSELF. Before, he took the drugs to make the pain go away. At one point he told me, he thought about killing himself. But to deal with those huge problems himself takes such unbelievable inner strength. I was amazed. And then I realized, I had it in me all along but I realized then, it's the reason why I don't believe or want to believe in "GOD". I want to be an indipendent human being. I want to have that same inner strength. And I want to know myself. And this person, he brought a comparison, he said himself it may be too hard, in some countries ppl would kill him for that, but please don't take this too hard or personal, try to be open minded about this. He said that believing in god is on an emotional level like taking drugs to make your pain go away. Instead of dealing with your own problems, you rather take some all knowing all powerful being that helps you, and of course it does, cause if you fully believe and accept god, TO YOU he exists. But you are not true to yourself. As a human, you are capable of dealing with your own problems, and I find it sad that some people need to rely so much on other things than to just try and deal with it yourself. Another extrem comparison was suicide. But let's not talk about it.   Better see and know yourself, than have god see and know you.   I don't want to convince anbody on here, but I certainly hope this gets some ppl to think about my way of life, how some german atheist thinks about faith and about dealing with problems. Wow! I miss having those conversations over PSN. There is a lot of truth in what your friend says Dagon. Whatever you believe you have to accept that human beings are weak, they depend on each other - its a very human need (sociopaths are born with essentially the same needs but through their experiences learn to sever these without guilt or remorse). Imo drugs blot the pain making life bearable whereas religious belief can actually heal your pain, a subtle difference but I won't dwell on it. Its tapping into that inner strength, the will to survive thats important. How we get there is seemingly less important. What i've always found interesting is that every cell in our bodies, every organ is given to our securing our survival for as long as is mortally possible. There are so many complex structures and routines that have to be absolutely right - heart regulation, body temperature, breathing, eating, sleeping, resting, reproducing, healing. My question is why? If we simply die and thats the end then what's the importance of survival without a purpose? Prolong the species? For what end? Imo all are functions are too deliberate, too well designed to be simply ordered from chaos! For others not to concern themselves with these matters is a way of focussing on everyday affairs and for you I guess you deal in a reality that is physical, tangible, solid rather than projected. If there are any science grads here I'd love an answer to our seemingly purposeful physiology.

Too well designed to be simply ordered from chaos...

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc well i read it. i don't know why? curiosity i guess? but i did read it. i'll let someone else try to explain the difference between faith in GOD and freedom to choose. you seem to believe that those who believe in GOD lose the freedom to choose how to live there life? HM? i imagine GOD would like for us to behave in a moral and decent manner. just like we would like for our children behave. but if we don't behave perfect every moment of our life, does GOD forsake us? i imagine many things can be forgiven just like with us humans. athiest seem to view GOD in a certain way? yet at the same time say that GOD doesn't exist? contridiction? athiests can pick apart the bible and distort religion all they want, BUT they can't remove what truely religious people feel! Religion is not about using GOD as a crutch! its about see'ing that your blessed by ever being born in the first place! and see'ing all your blessings in life! and thanking GOD! Heaven is a reward that no human could ever really deserve imo yet its said that Heaven awaits those that believe? so those who believe will just have to wait and see? those who don't believe have nothing to wait for though, because nothing awaits them. well except maybe hell for all eternity? someone on pills may not be the best source for enlightenment? just a thought

That last sentece was uncalled for, disrespectful and again just ignorant.

hahahahaha so true

well i read it. i don't know why? curiosity i guess? but i did read it.

i'll let someone else try to explain the difference between faith in GOD and freedom to choose.

you seem to believe that those who believe in GOD lose the freedom to choose how to live there life? HM?

i imagine GOD would like for us to behave in a moral and decent manner. just like we would like for our children behave.

but if we don't behave perfect every moment of our life, does GOD forsake us? i imagine many things can be forgiven just like with us humans.

athiest seem to view GOD in a certain way? yet at the same time say that GOD doesn't exist? contridiction?

athiests can pick apart the bible and distort religion all they want, BUT they can't remove what truely religious people feel!

Religion is not about using GOD as a crutch! its about see'ing that your blessed by ever being born in the first place! and see'ing all your blessings in life! and thanking GOD!

Heaven is a reward that no human could ever really deserve imo yet its said that Heaven awaits those that believe? so those who believe will just have to wait and see?

those who don't believe have nothing to wait for though, because nothing awaits them. well except maybe hell for all eternity?

someone on pills may not be the best source for enlightenment? just a thought

I had a conversation with someone that was really interesting. For this topic.

YES Sizzle, what a strong point that is. I said maybe it's just on here, but your posts usually (yes there are exeptions) don't have the strongest points, you keep using your own belief as a point for example. But you see, I still left the opportunity of you being intelligent open, because hell what can some posts on a gaming site say when I haven't met you in real life yet ?

Originally posted by QwEsT Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc If the big bang theory is correct and there was an explosion and everything is expanding? then the results of that explosion are still happening! that means that the end result of that explosion is still up in the air so to speak!and if the explosion and results of that explosion are acually creating time?then anywhere outside of the results of that explosion. time might not even exist?and if you look towards the the explosion, and the further you look the further your seeing back in time is the case? then if we look in the opposite direction doesn't the same princibles have to apply in reverse? the farther you look in the opposite direction of the explosion is the further you'd see into the future? which would mean were not in the present but in the past!unless there was nothing when we look in the opposite direction of the explosion. only then would we be in the present. not a theory xD just a thought Big Bang is fu cking retarded. Isn't it the FALSE theory that there was NOTHING then all of a sudden, two molecules or atoms collide then the world appears. How the hell is there was NOTHING then two molecules or atoms showed up. Plus if we were "evolving" we should definitely not have all the diseases we do have.

We have not been around long enough to evolve that much, micro-evolution sure, macro? Nope.

Originally posted by QwEsT theory that there was NOTHING then all of a sudden, two molecules or atoms collide then the world appears.

Originally posted by Fluffy Fluffington Originally posted by Ether404 haha...i took an IQ test with a Proctor.  you'd be surprised how intelligent i am you're right i would be surprised if it was 1 or 2 above plankton