Vegetarians

being a vegetarian is pretty dumb   O:

Majority of the reasons you'll hear is people think it's wrong to kill poor animals.....

Originally posted by Phenethylamine Majority of the reasons you'll hear is people think it's wrong to kill poor animals..... Animals eat eachother naturally ex. Lion eating an Antelope or something.... it's doing something natural based on instinct, so why shouldn't we?  :/   Fail argument from vegetarians is animals and humans are equal and it'd be like cannibalism.....but I don't see vegetarians yelling at Lions for eating Antelope  O:  maybe I'm aiming my argument more towards Animal Rights activists but vegetarians usually are for Animal Rights sooooo  XD  I'm all for Animal Welfare though. If people say it's just for health then I don't have a problem with that.

It's a good thing I asked you to elaborate. ;D

EDIT changed the color because it was all grey for some reason, probably because of my quotations.

Originally posted by Phenethylamine Having sympathy for animals being killed for no reason (other than safety, although I think they could've captured them without killing) isn't exactly the same as being vegetarian....lol Cows/Pigs/Chickens are killed for a reason......... and are (usually) killed humanely.

Tell me for what reason. Humans choosing to eat meat because it tastes good, even though they don't need it at all and they have plenty of other things that taste great ?

Originally posted by Phenethylamine Originally posted by -DaGoN-  Tell me for what reason. Humans choosing to eat meat because it tastes good, even though they don't need it at all and they have plenty of other things that taste great ? It's unnessesary luxury at the cost of causing suffering. Or do you think they life a good life and have an easy, painless death ? ;D Except a tree doesn't have feelings such as pain, it has no concious during it's "life".  Anyone who says that as a reason for him eating meat is a straight up liar, you know that. ;D It has some truth to it, but do you honestly think humans and our nature wouldn't overcome this problem ?   "There'd be a over-population of cats if you don't eat them or kill them", does that make sense ? No, because we found a legit solution for it without having to kill them. We don't need meat? Doesn't it have like protein or whatever? and don't vegetarians take pills to fill this? idk even if it doesn't, it fuels us so I can say why not? You say to prevent suffering and I can say it's not at our expense? Even though it does sound kind of bad, but we are able to kill and cause suffering because we are above animals and we just don't care...yeah it sounds bad but it's the truth   ;P I wasn't stating that tree idea as in regards to what the tree/animal feels, more as in how society looks at it. We view them as just necessities to us. Dogs for example aren't on the level of trees or cows. LOL, yes no one really thinks about it, and also we actually force breed a lot for our own needs and have over-populated them ourselves, but this outlook is inevitable. The world is going to continue to kill animals, so why not eat them anyway? That also sounds bad but it's truth.  Again cat's aren't on the level of necessity-type animals. We could find a way around it, but only some view our current way wrong, and I'm sure people would find something wrong with our next method. Not everyone can be happy, and it all comes down to one's view. I don't especially agree with vegetarianism, but I won't try to force someone out of it   O:

Haha, no, vegetarians don't need to take pills or anything, what you get from meat you will get plenty enough from other things. If you want to become a vegan you need to see your doctor first, he'd tell you what 'pills' you'd have to get. You've mistaken that one I think. ;D

And yes you provided a good view from society on the whole topic, also here and here.

 

Why not eat them anyway ? Me personally, yes I know the world is going to continue to kill animals to eat them, I just don't want to be a part of it. I'm not the kind of person to say "well everyone does it, it wouldn't make a difference if I'd stop so I'll just continue to eat meat." I thought it's better to not lie to yourself, be honest with yourself and live up to it. imo it's ignorant to just blend the suffering that you cause out, simply for yourself when it's not nesessary.

 

I'm also far from being the guy who tries to convince everybody to be a vegetarian, nor do I tell my family and friends when they eat meat around me that it's disgusting or wrong or whatever.

It's everybody's own business

Originally posted by -DaGoN- Originally posted by Phenethylamine Originally posted by -DaGoN-  Tell me for what reason. Humans choosing to eat meat because it tastes good, even though they don't need it at all and they have plenty of other things that taste great ? It's unnessesary luxury at the cost of causing suffering. Or do you think they life a good life and have an easy, painless death ? ;D Except a tree doesn't have feelings such as pain, it has no concious during it's "life".  Anyone who says that as a reason for him eating meat is a straight up liar, you know that. ;D It has some truth to it, but do you honestly think humans and our nature wouldn't overcome this problem ?   "There'd be a over-population of cats if you don't eat them or kill them", does that make sense ? No, because we found a legit solution for it without having to kill them. We don't need meat? Doesn't it have like protein or whatever? and don't vegetarians take pills to fill this? idk even if it doesn't, it fuels us so I can say why not? You say to prevent suffering and I can say it's not at our expense? Even though it does sound kind of bad, but we are able to kill and cause suffering because we are above animals and we just don't care...yeah it sounds bad but it's the truth   ;P I wasn't stating that tree idea as in regards to what the tree/animal feels, more as in how society looks at it. We view them as just necessities to us. Dogs for example aren't on the level of trees or cows. LOL, yes no one really thinks about it, and also we actually force breed a lot for our own needs and have over-populated them ourselves, but this outlook is inevitable. The world is going to continue to kill animals, so why not eat them anyway? That also sounds bad but it's truth.  Again cat's aren't on the level of necessity-type animals. We could find a way around it, but only some view our current way wrong, and I'm sure people would find something wrong with our next method. Not everyone can be happy, and it all comes down to one's view. I don't especially agree with vegetarianism, but I won't try to force someone out of it   O: Haha, no, vegetarians don't need to take pills or anything, what you get from meat you will get plenty enough from other things. If you want to become a vegan you need to see your doctor first, he'd tell you what 'pills' you'd have to get. You've mistaken that one I think. ;D And yes you provided a good view from society on the whole topic, also here and here.   Why not eat them anyway ? Me personally, yes I know the world is going to continue to kill animals to eat them, I just don't want to be a part of it. I'm not the kind of person to say "well everyone does it, it wouldn't make a difference if I'd stop so I'll just continue to eat meat." I thought it's better to not lie to yourself, be honest with yourself and live up to it. imo it's ignorant to just blend the suffering that you cause out, simply for yourself when it's not nesessary.   I'm also far from being the guy who tries to convince everybody to be a vegetarian, nor do I tell my family and friends when they eat meat around me that it's disgusting or wrong or whatever. It's everybody's own business

Well, i've been a vegetarian (vegan& afterwards lacto-veg) for almost 20 years and I have throughly studied it from the points of nutrition, ethics and even scratched the surface what the big world religions say about it. So i'm not just speaking trough a mere feeling. 

If I can say my opinion over the animals that were killed. I'm no animal activist nor vegetarian/vegan but I think those that were involved with the shootings were a little gun happy, who wouldn't be if you were told to go shoot some lions without having to go on a Safari, they should of attempted more tranquilizer captures.

I was listening to someone on the radio say they were grateful they killed these dangerous animals because if they would of attempted to use tranquilizers and missed, the animal would become angry and go on the attack.. but wouldn't you get the same result if you missed with a rifle?

All of these animals were probably scared ****less and would only attack if they deemed threatened, the authorities apparently thought that since these animals got loose that they would go mapquest the nearest school and have a chow fest, you kidding me? Exotic and wild animals should be illegal!! They should only be viewed in a state/county zoo or in the wild, not in someones backyard.

Originally posted by Iuckshot People who can speak dutch should watch Basta!, especially the last one is about something like this

lol don't you have a farmers market or know someone who farms? You can get meat, eggs, milk and any other source of food that is 100% natural, came from pastures, no chemicals or inhumane killing. Well.. Minnesota has this, I don't know about the other states.  

I think that God's animals deserve a special place in this world. Right next to the mashed potatoes and corn.

Not even going to comment on this...