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Topic: VCTF is not a DM
Posted By: Two_Fase
Subject: VCTF is not a DM
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:44pm
i'm all about getting fun kills just as much as the next guy we all do it, that we can all be guilty of. snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base. then in return if you can't move off base what do you do you're forced to camp more heavily than usual because you can't leave your base.

vctf is not a dm. go out and explore a new vehicle, fly a raptor, drive a tank run a flag maybe. get out of that little comfort zone switch it up. its a fun game we play to see how many kills we get with one weapon, yeah it's cute try it in a dm where it'll be worth the effort

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:57pm
imo thats like saying the other team is to good for you. if you cant find out a way around that, your going to lose. i dont see anything wrong with 3 players doing a good job shutting you down the victory. but thats why i think suspense sucks major a**. camping and sniping mid field helps shut down the other team, and protects your flag runners. thats the whole point of that map. camp the tank, snipe better than the other team = you will most likey win =/

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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:17am
sigh

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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:23am
Originally posted by _EnVy_

imo thats like saying the other team is to good for you. if you cant find out a way around that, your going to lose. i dont see anything wrong with 3 players doing a good job shutting you down the victory. but thats why i think suspense sucks major a**. camping and sniping mid field helps shut down the other team, and protects your flag runners. thats the whole point of that map. camp the tank, snipe better than the other team = you will most likey win =/


i hate to say it but he is right. sniping is just a superior tactic in suspense. unlike putting the tank on the flag however, it can be countered from across the map.

suspense was designed with unique protection to the snipers. it is the only map where I am guaranteed a rampage with the sniper rifle. the map gets picked often and I play it to the best of my ability. I snipe there because that is my strongest area of ut3, sniping. if 2 or 3 other guys are also sniping....I promise its only a coincidence. we aren't ganging up or teaming up or even aware of what the other is doing.

 i was in a match with two fase tonight exactly like the one he is talking about. me and a couple others were shutting down the other team with a few snipers, my self included. because I like twofase, I felt bad when I headshotted him and the screen flashed that"twofase has left the game" meaning his head was only on the floor because he had paused the game to press "quit" as i fired on him.
 
the thing is, i won't flag run when there are stronger flag runners than my self (which is basically always) ready to try for the flag. it doesn't make sense. so i try to be as effecient as possible with my strongest weapon. i snipe.

unlike putting a vehicle on the flag, a sniper hidden in one base can take out a sniper hidden in the other base (in suspense). you can't blow up a vehicle parked on the flag from your own base. if you have strong snipers....you can keep the other teams snipers in check. if you don't have strong snipers.....you will just get outgunned. there was no team stacking going on.....the teams got divided how they did and the snipers all ended up on one side. you know im a big fan of you twofase but as you say, "sometimes it bes like that" in suspense. in retrospect, maybe i should have switched teams but when you left (i would have been looking for the other snipers....lol), i am almost sure it was a scoreless match.


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:56am
I b****ed and moaned because that's what I always do no matter what lol.  hard to argue with ur points.  at least I got some shots off of you.  when playing Headhunter it's a dif story.  I can't wait to face him on foot with him only using a controller.  

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 3:08am
I've been on about this for ages... next time your in a clan match and your running that flag back I know I'd rather have headhunter backing me up with the sniper rifle than some guy flying a raptor.

Yes it's annoying, yes it's a bit gay but it is part of the game. Not every player can defend, attack, support and use vehicles. Wish they could but in reality its like life, your good at somethings. Crap at others. Can't blame them for sticking to what they do best. If 4/8 people are doing it you should be able to beat them easily, raptor/fury/viper pick ups..


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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 3:09am
Originally posted by Potorikan

at least I got some shots off of you.  


yeah u did


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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:35am
I can agree with the arguement that this tactic is sometimes used to simply halt the game and rack up kills.  I find it annoying and stupid and simply move on to a different server when I see it.  No matter who the culprits are.
 
However, in a clan match or semi-organized pug, this is a tactic that is very effective at ending a match quickly and IMO it should only be used that way. But, who am I to tell anyone else how to play a game they paid for?  They might just be practicing for a clan match.  Then again, they may just be trying to annoy you Wink


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Posted By: Arkos315
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:44am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

I can agree with the arguement that this tactic is sometimes used to simply halt the game and rack up kills.  I find it annoying and stupid and simply move on to a different server when I see it.  No matter who the culprits are.
 
However, in a clan match or semi-organized pug, this is a tactic that is very effective at ending a match quickly and IMO it should only be used that way. But, who am I to tell anyone else how to play a game they paid for?  They might just be practicing for a clan match.  Then again, they may just be trying to annoy you Wink
 
hey aqua u should of seen da 2 headshots i got on D yesterday it was FANTASTIC!!!!Big smile


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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:47am
Originally posted by Arkos315

Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

I can agree with the arguement that this tactic is sometimes used to simply halt the game and rack up kills.  I find it annoying and stupid and simply move on to a different server when I see it.  No matter who the culprits are.
 
However, in a clan match or semi-organized pug, this is a tactic that is very effective at ending a match quickly and IMO it should only be used that way. But, who am I to tell anyone else how to play a game they paid for?  They might just be practicing for a clan match.  Then again, they may just be trying to annoy you Wink
 
hey aqua u should of seen da 2 headshots i got on D yesterday it was FANTASTIC!!!!Big smile
 
LMAO - it only takes one headshot to piss him off completely.  Two probably sent him over the edge!


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:47am
Originally posted by Danjel8

I've been on about this for ages... next time your in a clan match and your running that flag back I know I'd rather have headhunter backing me up with the sniper rifle than some guy flying a raptor.

Yes it's annoying, yes it's a bit gay but it is part of the game. Not every player can defend, attack, support and use vehicles. Wish they could but in reality its like life, your good at somethings. Crap at others. Can't blame them for sticking to what they do best. If 4/8 people are doing it you should be able to beat them easily, raptor/fury/viper pick ups..


U know what, I think Ur right.  He's annoying and a bit gay and if he can't defend, attack, support and use vehicles without using KBM I should be more sympathetic to him.  I suppose we can't blame Headhunter for relying on KBM to be good at this game since he it seems has no choice in the matter. 

oddly enough I feel better already.  In fact, it's not even about lacking respect for him anymore.   I feel somewhat sorry for him and all the other KBM users.  Here's hoping one day he finds the strength and courage to take a chance and learn to use a controller.  I suspect it will help him acquire the skills we all seem to take for granted.




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Posted By: Arkos315
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:50am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

Originally posted by Arkos315

Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

I can agree with the arguement that this tactic is sometimes used to simply halt the game and rack up kills.  I find it annoying and stupid and simply move on to a different server when I see it.  No matter who the culprits are.
 
However, in a clan match or semi-organized pug, this is a tactic that is very effective at ending a match quickly and IMO it should only be used that way. But, who am I to tell anyone else how to play a game they paid for?  They might just be practicing for a clan match.  Then again, they may just be trying to annoy you Wink
 
hey aqua u should of seen da 2 headshots i got on D yesterday it was FANTASTIC!!!!Big smile
 
LMAO - it only takes one headshot to piss him off completely.  Two probably sent him over the edge!
 
LOL...he tried 2 b funny by sniping dA flag carrier but he got DENIED!!!!


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:03am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

I can agree with the arguement that this tactic is sometimes used to simply halt the game and rack up kills.  I find it annoying and stupid and simply move on to a different server when I see it.  No matter who the culprits are.
 
However, in a clan match or semi-organized pug, this is a tactic that is very effective at ending a match quickly and IMO it should only be used that way. But, who am I to tell anyone else how to play a game they paid for?  They might just be practicing for a clan match.  Then again, they may just be trying to annoy you Wink


some of you in this community should really consider switching to Halo.  It's highly cutthroat there and Those of you with that Anything goes/anything to get the win mentality would thrive there. 

I find it amusing that many of us agree it's gay, stupid, annoying and a shady tactic overall but somehow using it to acquire a win in a competitive situation is ok (i.e "no no that's cheesy and we shouldn't do it...unless we're in a clan match where a win for the team's record is at stake then it's machiavelli time).  my , I wonder what would happen if both teams decided to play fair and cleanly regardless.  I"m willing to guess the team with the most true skill would win no?  or it could be my logic failing me once again.  Too bad we'll never really know.

in the end perhaps the point is valid:  People who paid for a game should use it however they want.  Regardless of whether it's right or wrong it's just a game and we're all just faceless and emotionless lemming drones that have no say in the matter. long live good sportsmanship and the spirit of competitive gaming.


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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:14am
Who has actually tried KB/M? I did, I felt sick after using it coz I got so disorietated.

I don't see how killing people isn't playing for the win. Just a different tactic that people employ.


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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:28am
You're kidding... right?  Do you even reallize how dumb your stance on this particular issue is?  A clan match is about the "win", period.  Otherwise, why go to the trouble of organizing a team, having practice and getting together on a server?  We have all agreed that glitching won't work so obviously that is out of the picture.  But now you want to dictate how entire teams play and define the bounds of how they use this game to beat you?  Come on bro, you're not making any sense at all.
 
A clan match is about winning within the context of the game.  The game makers provided various weapons and routes per map for a reason.  You simply don't like the fact that an opposing team is able to effectively deploy these weapons and routes to completely shut you out of a win.  Period.
 
Who are you to decide what is fair and clean within the context of this game?  Who are you to decide the "rules of fair play"?  Who are you to decide "right or wrong" with regard to how others play this game?
 
I think you just happen to be the one making the most noise about it and are always busy recruiting others to your cause.  I for one have grown weary of listening to you cry about things like a person picking up a sniper rifle in a map (which was provided by the game maker) and using it effectively against you. Try polishing your skills to counter this tactic instead of attempting to garner community support for your stance that this is unfair and unsportsman like.  Or we need to go into private servers so I don't get headshot.  LMAO - what a joke.
 
You really need to look at the theme of this game.  Take a close look at the design and purpose.  If you want a picnic lunch with your clanmates, schedule it outside the game because UT3 is about headshots (there's even a trophy for it), killing sprees, rampages and so-forth.
 
If I pick up a sniper rifle in a clan match, I promise you a headshot, maybe many headshots.  I'll snipe you off the top of the cables in Suspense with the tank too.  Or is that unfair and wrong too?  Give me a break here man, you are WAY off base on this.
 
Look at the last two words in your post and tell me where the real problem lies... it's "competitive" Potorikan, not "cooperation".


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:39am
There's absolutely nothing wrong with sniping. Its when you have 3-4 out of 8 accomplished snipers camping exit points and sniping to get their headhunter awards or trophies that's the point TWO FASE is making. They aint playing a team game their playing their individual DM. It is so exhausting when this happens cos I dont ever quit a game (unless the wife swiotches off the PS3 when shes p1ssed Shocked) but I feel in these circumstances its justified. Suspense and the multitude of sniper points - people by uDamage, on the avril bridge at the back, over by the health pack. The Necropolis 3-4 on the exit point to the bridge and if not then they're sending hard flak constantly across the bridge or on the floor - flak spam snipe. Yep its a DM alright.
Whilst we can implore others to play the game right its their take on what can go down, and yea the play their money so they takes their choice. We ain't gonna like it if were on the receiving end but I guess we dont see it if were on the side that has the snipers. Just gotta get better with the shock I guess. Dunno bout Halo - sh1ts more like COD tbh. A legit tactic if used proly but when over used then Zzzz game. In organised games your team numbers are 5-6 typically so 3 snipers in VCTF = fail. I just share the guys pain thats all. Here's to an end to flak snipe flak snipe by the rank and file and the usage of other weapons. Maybe they'll all return to link and rockets haha!


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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:45am
There is always a way to get around them, especially on Necro! Nightshade :)

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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:46am
Yep, or you could just pick up a sniper rifle and headshot them back.   The only thing worse than 4 snipers on the other side of the bidge in Necopolis is me on the other end getting 4 headshots in a row to clear the bridge for our flag runner...

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:48am
Plus public servers are public... As long as I can shoot a single fire on my spawn and don't get beat by glitchers then I don't have much of a problem.

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:50am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

Yep, or you could just pick up a sniper rifle and headshot them back.   The only thing worse than 4 snipers on the other side of the bidge in Necopolis is me on the other end getting 4 headshots in a row to clear the bridge for our flag runner...


haha or... a flag runner clever enough to call for support from a viper and you get a ride back under the bridge! :)

You can pick someone up by the enemies keg on necro and slingshot them to your keg haha snipe that!


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:01am
On a related point UT99 had a better sniper and UT3 has returned to a similar design. I do feel that the hitscan for this particular weapon is too large so headshot or 70 damage is easier than say COD or CounterStrike. They should a put some recoil in all the weapons but maybe sniper. I mean the stinger is inaccurate due to its rate of fire but there's no set back for the sniper - superior payload, instant hit and due to your position (and kbm) reload time is negligible. 

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:08am
Originally posted by Danjel8

Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

Yep, or you could just pick up a sniper rifle and headshot them back.   The only thing worse than 4 snipers on the other side of the bidge in Necopolis is me on the other end getting 4 headshots in a row to clear the bridge for our flag runner...


haha or... a flag runner clever enough to call for support from a viper and you get a ride back under the bridge! :)

You can pick someone up by the enemies keg on necro and slingshot them to your keg haha snipe that!
HAha u guys are B1tch snipers too. Me im just a snipers b1tch...cant snipe for puss1e. I aint got the patience to learn then camping in 1 spot? No tnx...got some cool headshots on peeps though cos i tend to pick up the nearest weapon.


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:17am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

You're kidding... right?  Do you even reallize how dumb your stance on this particular issue is? 

leave it to you to always overreact to a perspective you don't agree or jive with.  I let you have ur opinion but do I call it dumb or stupid for it just because I don't share it?  dude take it down a notch.  If it were so serious to me I wouldn't keep playing.

A clan match is about the "win", period. 

If you don't care how you get the win then I understand you perfectly bro.  believe me.  I just don't share ur zeal for the win the same way but I don't believe ur dumb in some way because of it..

Otherwise, why go to the trouble of organizing a team, having practice and getting together on a server?

because believe it or not, there are some teams/players out there that dont' feel they need to resort to a 'win by any means necessary'.  it's a preference.  nothing more.  I'll take any win but would rather win honorably rather than not.  the whole concept of Honor in a game seems to piss you off.  maybe you shouldn't talk about it eh?

  We have all agreed that glitching won't work so obviously that is out of the picture. 

I personally don't care about the glitches.  I don't exploit them out of consideration because others don't like it but if it's there and still left there by epic I a**ume they're fine with it.  either way I don't care really.

But now you want to dictate how entire teams play and define the bounds of how they use this game to beat you?  Come on bro, you're not making any sense at all.

who said I want to dictate anything bro?  stop blowing my **** up bro.  I can speak my mind and I trust ur smart enough to do whatever floats ur boat either way.  We're not going to agree but the dif between you and me I don't get my panties in a bunch about it.  I think ur approach to the game stinks but wtf does it matter, you don't pay my rent so I don't have to like it bro.
 
A clan match is about winning within the context of the game. 

context.  that's an important word.  I think that's a separate thread right there so I won't get into that.


The game makers provided various weapons and routes per map for a reason.  You simply don't like the fact that an opposing team is able to effectively deploy these weapons and routes to completely shut you out of a win.  Period.

I bet ur talking about ur glorious AR and their mastery of VCTF.  I don't take away from some of AR's mastery of the mode and I won't get into what I dislike about some AR members and some of the things they do either. 

Who are you to decide what is fair and clean within the context of this game?  Who are you to decide the "rules of fair play"?  Who are you to decide "right or wrong" with regard to how others play this game?

I would ask you the same thing.  who are you to say that ur right or wrong?  we're both doing the same thing on opposing sides of the issue.  I'd call it a stalemate and leave it at that.  u feel ur way is the way and I don't agree.  pretty straightforward.
 
I think you just happen to be the one making the most noise about it and are always busy recruiting others to your cause. 

really?  recruiting others to my cause?  wtf am I David Koresh.  I was under the impression everyone here can formulate their own opinion.  some will agree, others will not.  either way, even I was the only one who felt that way I expect you to respect my opinion just like I'm FORCED to respect yours.  we don't have to agree.  remember that.  (again)

I for one have grown weary of listening to you cry about things like a person picking up a sniper rifle in a map (which was provided by the game maker) and using it effectively against you.

dude, I have a question, was a gun held to your head forcing you to read this thread and putting ur two cents in?  if ur tired or hearing me I can a**ure you I'm tired of your ranting about the same "get better or get beat" mentality but guess what, that's ur thing and I've accepted it.  that doesnt mean I agree or that I like it. 

Try polishing your skills to counter this tactic instead of attempting to garner community support for your stance that this is unfair and unsportsman like.  Or we need to go into private servers so I don't get headshot.  LMAO - what a joke.

dude, 'garner community support'?  wtf says I'm trying to bring others to my cause?  I'm stating an opinion bro.  which part don't you understand?

 
You really need to look at the theme of this game.  Take a close look at the design and purpose.  If you want a picnic lunch with your clanmates, schedule it outside the game because UT3 is about headshots (there's even a trophy for it), killing sprees, rampages and so-forth.

ur right.  there's no mention on the definitive way to go about it last time I checked so that's left up to the user no?  He'll either go at it ur way or mine.  always quick to put down others who don't agree with you.  very cla**y mr. pillar of the community.

 
If I pick up a sniper rifle in a clan match, I promise you a headshot, maybe many headshots.  I'll snipe you off the top of the cables in Suspense with the tank too.  Or is that unfair and wrong too?

In my opinion, if ur using a controller, nope.  fair and square as far as I'm concerned.  I promise to give you a hard time every time.


Give me a break here man, you are WAY off base on this.

again, ur basing this statement like many of ur others on the contention that only your point is the only right one.  nothing I can do with that really.

 
Look at the last two words in your post and tell me where the real problem lies... it's "competitive" Potorikan, not "cooperation".

ur just talking about this:

COMPETE |kəmˈpēt|
verb [ intrans. ]
strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.


and you think that concept doens't need this:

HONOR |ˈänər| ( Brit. honour)
noun
• adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct


What can I tell you, except I"m glad you weren't a Samurai.  I simply don't agree. w u  Will it keep me from playing with you or against you?  nope.  so life goes on. 

Next time, why not try to be a little more respectful of other people's right to speak.  Last time I checked I didn't live in Cuba. 




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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:17am
Originally posted by Danjel8

There is always a way to get around them, especially on Necro! Nightshade :)


lol ur too much man


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

On a related point UT99 had a better sniper and UT3 has returned to a similar design. I do feel that the hitscan for this particular weapon is too large so headshot or 70 damage is easier than say COD or CounterStrike. They should a put some recoil in all the weapons but maybe sniper. I mean the stinger is inaccurate due to its rate of fire but there's no set back for the sniper - superior payload, instant hit and due to your position (and kbm) reload time is negligible. 


hence HeadHunter's effectiveness w it.  I wonder how well he would do w/o it.


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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:29am
Potorikan,
 
You may out type me and you may out quote me, but this is an arguement you can't win.  I have applied logic to your postition and it doesn't measure up.
 
Your view of "the glorious A-R" is astonishing and disappointing.  You have been hell bent on tarnishing our reputation since our inception.  I feel it is out of jealousy and nothing more.  A couple of A-R guys managed to piss you off and you lump the entire team into your argument.  Those same players have pissed me off on more than one occa**ion and I discussed this with you via PM.  You even wanted to dictate how A-R deals with those players and argued that we should publicly humiliate them on this site.  That's not how it works either.  You don't get to call the shots.
 
As for get better or get beat... that's the purpose of this game.  It's a game.  A war game.  You sound like you want the Red Coats and Patriots to line up and face off like the days of old and the win is by attrition.  LMAO.  That's not how it works.
 
When a mediocre player stomps around trying to get better players to slow down and adhere to some unwritten set of guidlines for the game so they have a chance at a win, that player should expect some "push back".  You're being pushed back.


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:33am
Originally posted by Potorikan

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

On a related point UT99 had a better sniper and UT3 has returned to a similar design. I do feel that the hitscan for this particular weapon is too large so headshot or 70 damage is easier than say COD or CounterStrike. They should a put some recoil in all the weapons but maybe sniper. I mean the stinger is inaccurate due to its rate of fire but there's no set back for the sniper - superior payload, instant hit and due to your position (and kbm) reload time is negligible. 


hence HeadHunter's effectiveness w it.  I wonder how well he would do w/o it.
True, but thats just the point. Hes more effective cos hes come via PC and taken the time to perfect it for PS3. If youve tried kbm then you'll know why most ppl use controllers. I have never really adapted to playing this game using a controller till now and thats cos of the attraction of it being online with none of the foolish BS from PC arena - seemed to motivate me. 
Headhunter's just using a natural advantage and I gotta say he's very very good with a sniper, shock and switches to flak close up. KBM allows him to do so with speed but i guess there's always an option for us all to master KBM - it aint exactly an exclusive OR sniper too for that matter. To each his own. 
Anyway im off to the Apple shop to get an optical cable so i can watch movies via iPhone and Mac Book. Then im gonna instant hit the lawn with the mower and spam the beds with my strimmer cos its NOT raining today!!! 
I'll leave you ladies to duel with yer handbags hee hee hee! PeaceXx


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:04am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

Potorikan,
 
You may out type me and you may out quote me, but this is an arguement you can't win.  I have applied logic to your postition and it doesn't measure up.

logic is just like context.  sometimes this is aligned to one's perceptions.  I wasn't trying to win anything.  I was and still am just speaking my mind.  it's not a win nor loss but rather an expression of my right to speak.  Ur not actually participating in this dialogue in order to win are you?  I'm beginning to sense something about you with this whole win thing.  If it makes you feel better or accomplished dude, you win.  I lost.  I'm still gonna speak my mind tho is that ok? 
 
Your view of "the glorious A-R" is astonishing and disappointing. 

You love using those big daddy words.  tell me how I've dissapointed you aqua.  and how I've astonished you while ur at it. 


You have been hell bent on tarnishing our reputation since our inception. 

I have?  really?  When it was just like 4 of you?  I don't remember AR making the huge impact back then it's making today (I mean that both postively and negatively).  You guys were good sure but the best?  I can't speak on that.


Since ur inception?  Isn't this about the same time you tranfered ur 401k from IAM to AR, Inc no?  I don't remember having an opinion about any of you back then.  If you find a post stating otherwise (or any that support this claim) by all means please post a link.

I feel it is out of jealousy and nothing more. 

You must be joking?   What is there to be jealous of?  the rep?  The tactics?  the roster?   what?  I can't think of a single thing.  Honest.  That I wish I played better so I was less annoyed by some of the tactics you and ur team employ, sure I'll admit to that but that's where the wishing stops.  In order to be jealous I'd have to want something you or your team have.  I"m afraid that's just not the case.  If jealousy were among my staple emotions to feel then I would have say I"m jealous of QM.  I'm jealous of their foot/dueling mastery which to me translates to they can kick anyone's a** in any mode if they really wanted to. 

A couple of A-R guys managed to piss you off and you lump the entire team into your argument. 

That's 1100% percent false.  now ur just talking ****.  There are a few AR members (past and present) that I'm highly cool with and have no issues with them or the way they play (yes I"m afraid there are some AR members that haven't been completely subjegated by the Machiavellian Dogma). 

Those same players have pissed me off on more than one occa**ion and I discussed this with you via PM. 

I'll give you brownie points for the statement.  what you actually did about it is debatable and none of my concern.


You even wanted to dictate how A-R deals with those players and argued that we should publicly humiliate them on this site. 

really. I said that.  please post a link I'd like to see that.  what is it with you and the word dictate anyways?  Surely there are more accurate words to choose from. I don't see how anyone can dictate anything to the great Aquaknot.

 
As for get better or get beat... that's the purpose of this game.  It's a game.  A war game.  You sound like you want the Red Coats and Patriots to line up and face off like the days of old and the win is by attrition.  LMAO.  That's not how it works. 

really?  attrition doesn't work.  that's odd, I wonder why the term even exists.  I may have to look into that again.  ur being funny but again Im beginning to better understand you each time we talk about this topic but I get where your coming from.  It's all about the win I get it.

 
When a mediocre player stomps around trying to get better players to slow down and adhere to some unwritten set of guidlines for the game so they have a chance at a win, that player should expect some "push back".  You're being pushed back.

Mediocre player.  nice one.  doesn't really explain why a mediocre player stuck enough of a chord to illicit such a strong post from you.  I wonder about that now.





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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by Potorikan

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

On a related point UT99 had a better sniper and UT3 has returned to a similar design. I do feel that the hitscan for this particular weapon is too large so headshot or 70 damage is easier than say COD or CounterStrike. They should a put some recoil in all the weapons but maybe sniper. I mean the stinger is inaccurate due to its rate of fire but there's no set back for the sniper - superior payload, instant hit and due to your position (and kbm) reload time is negligible. 


hence HeadHunter's effectiveness w it.  I wonder how well he would do w/o it.
True, but thats just the point. Hes more effective cos hes come via PC and taken the time to perfect it for PS3. If youve tried kbm then you'll know why most ppl use controllers. I have never really adapted to playing this game using a controller till now and thats cos of the attraction of it being online with none of the foolish BS from PC arena - seemed to motivate me. 
Headhunter's just using a natural advantage and I gotta say he's very very good with a sniper, shock and switches to flak close up. KBM allows him to do so with speed but i guess there's always an option for us all to master KBM - it aint exactly an exclusive OR sniper too for that matter. To each his own. 
Anyway im off to the Apple shop to get an optical cable so i can watch movies via iPhone and Mac Book. Then im gonna instant hit the lawn with the mower and spam the beds with my strimmer cos its NOT raining today!!! 
I'll leave you ladies to duel with yer handbags hee hee hee! PeaceXx


I know what you mean.  I've come to accept that KBM players are here to stay.  I just don't like the concept personally. 

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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:46am

Potorikan,

Logic is pure and people have enough sense on their own to see the faults in your arguments.  It has nothing to do with context or perception.  Logic is what it is and your argument has none.
 
I overreacted?  Your first response to a post I made where I actually agreed with the maker of this thread was an enormous overraction to my opinion and you even suggested that I go play Halo - LMAO.  Now you are crafting replies and picking apart my posts to make an invalid point and in attempt to shout me down.
 
It's not going to work.  You are trying to tell the UT3 community that the sky isn't blue. that's illogical.
 
This game is about kicking a$$ and taking names.  This game is about winning within the context of the game.  So, your comments about "winning by any means necessary" and somehow implying that this is how I or A-R plays is also false and baseless.
 
Riddle me this...
  • Name a single instance where A-R broke with the context of this game to win a clan match.
  • Name a single instance of an A-R member glitching.
  • Name a single instance of an A-R member doing something less than "honorable" in a clan match.
  • Name a single "tactic" deployed by A-R in a clan match that you have a problem with.
 
If you can't answer these, your argument is a waste of 1's and 0's in the database and you should really rethink your position on A-R as a whole and our "dogma" as you put it.  I'm stumped by your angst toward my friends as a whole. Although... since you and your team have refused to meet us in a match and you have NO perspective... it's kind of flattering in some strange way that we have all this attention from you.
 
I also suggest you go back and re-read the PMs you and I exchanged about two A-R players in particular that you wanted me to publicly flog here on iAMGaming and I refused.  Your reply was that we would just agree to disagree. <-----  Deny it all you want but the truth is right there.
 
As for you being a mediocre player, I'm simply restating your own comments found peppered throughout this forum.  Your words describing yourself... repeated by me.  You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.
 
You can have the last word because I'm not going to argue with someone who has absolutly no concept of reality and a slippery grasp on logic.  At least now yours isn't the only side of this issue being heard-


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Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:58am
Originally posted by AqUaKnOt

Potorikan,

Logic is pure and people have enough sense on their own to see the faults in your arguments.  It has nothing to do with context or perception.  Logic is what it is and your argument has none.
 
I overreacted?  Your first response to a post I made where I actually agreed with the maker of this thread was an enormous overraction to my opinion and you even suggested that I go play Halo - LMAO.  Now you are crafting replies and picking apart my posts to make an invalid point and in attempt to shout me down.
 
It's not going to work.  You are trying to tell the UT3 community that the sky isn't blue. that's illogical.
 
This game is about kicking a$$ and taking names.  This game is about winning within the context of the game.  So, your comments about "winning by any means necessary" and somehow implying that this is how I or A-R plays is also false and baseless.
 
Riddle me this...
  • Name a single instance where A-R broke with the context of this game to win a clan match.
  • Name a single instance of an A-R member glitching.
  • Name a single instance of an A-R member doing something less than "honorable" in a clan match.
  • Name a single "tactic" deployed by A-R in a clan match that you have a problem with.
 
If you can't answer these, your argument is a waste of 1's and 0's in the database and you should really rethink your position on A-R as a whole and our "dogma" as you put it.  I'm stumped by your angst toward my friends as a whole. Although... since you and your team have refused to meet us in a match and you have NO perspective... it's kind of flattering in some strange way that we have all this attention from you.
 
I also suggest you go back and re-read the PMs you and I exchanged about two A-R players in particular that you wanted me to publicly flog here on iAMGaming and I refused.  Your reply was that we would just agree to disagree. <-----  Deny it all you want but the truth is right there.
 
As for you being a mediocre player, I'm simply restating your own comments found peppered throughout this forum.  Your words describing yourself... repeated by me.  You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.
 
You can have the last word because I'm not going to argue with someone who has absolutly no concept of reality and a slippery grasp on logic.  At least now yours isn't the only side of this issue being heard-


as Helscream will attest, I can only go so far with a discussion.  it's pointless to continue because again, we agree to disagree.  about everything it seems.  You win, I'm tired and I'm going to sleep. 


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:31am
VCTF IS GAY!!!!! REAL MEN PLAY WARFARE AND CTF!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: Ether404
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:42am
Originally posted by BAIN

VCTF IS GAY!!!!! REAL MEN PLAY WARFARE AND CTF!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:02am
lol this is why you guys need to play more warfare. you cant just sit there and do one thing and win. that mode requires you to get out and do something or you will lose. you cant get mad at a mode that is broken and supports the tactics that work when thats all you play. getting mad at a sniper on suspense? just like saying the dark walker is annoying on sandstorm. or thats like me saying its annoying when im in the dark walker and the whole team is coming after me because im raping the hell out of their whole team by my self. also its like saying to the flag runners not to run the flag during the sand storm. vctf is simply built around camping tactics and shutting down certain areas. they allow you to protect your flag and your flag runners at the same time. thats exactly what you need to do in that mode to win. vctf is simply this way, you guys should know this by now. that is why i think vctf is by far the most pointless mode and also the most stacked team wise.


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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:27am
Its not a pointless mode, its hard regardless of what people may say. All modes are hard its silly to suggest that modes are pointless. VCTF is the most popular mode... but I do agree that warfare doesn't allow you to camp, you have to attack or you lose... And if you lose your own prime and the other team camps then thats your teams fault for letting them get that far.

And by now Envy you should really know that the stacked team wins in anymode 95% of the time. I'd say VCTF is the mode likely to see a suprise because you can work as a team to score flags using fast vehicles... it only takes teamwork.

In warfare against stacked teams its nearly impossible due to how the strategy of the game is based on map control which is ultimately what the stronger team always does. Control the map.


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:33am
warfare really isnt about map control, maybe a few maps like torlan and avalanche but thats about it it terms of total map control. lol i really dont see why so many players like to only play vctf. its sad to see warfare be swallowed up by this lame mode. thats what im impling, nothing more...

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:41am
I know where your coming from. I feel the same to a certain extent but what can you do... gotta go with the times I guess. Most my buddies are into VCTF, its where I have most fun. If I want something intense and serious I'll come back to my main mode :)

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:47am
well just be looking for a small group in warfare, TDM and CTF soon enough called eMp. they will be as strong as it gets in warfare. but they will be a very small group mainly doing 2v2's for a while.

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:56am
Originally posted by _EnVy_

well just be looking for a small group in warfare, TDM and CTF soon enough called eMp. they will be as strong as it gets in warfare. but they will be a very small group mainly doing 2v2's for a while.
 
You and who?


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:10am
What does eMp stand for?

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:20am
Eating Many Penis.

It will be Envy, hcruix and boogie.

Nice little group going there :) More clans the better.


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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:16pm
Seems like people think all pubs are totally collaborative and tactical. They aren't. Even half of the players using a mic is somewhat rare. It is usually 1-3. Everyone does whatever they want not to gang up on the other team......I don't say...hey player x and player y, lets shut them down with sniping! It is much to spontaneous, random and self-serving to be that malicious. I don't always play a team game in the pubs. I want to be the best sniper in the game (I want to be a touring dj getting $2,500/hr too but I digress). It probably won't happen but it definitely won't happen if I practice on bots. And it won't happen if I stop sniping because the other team is struggling. It will only happen if  I branch out on my own and maintain my own agenda.

Don't look at it so much as an organized effort or conspiracy to ruin the game. Look at it as a statistical inevitability. Just like when half of AR ends up on a team. Its going to happen. They are going to beat me. If they refuse to break up the teams that is a different issue for another place. But they will inevitably end up together and destroy teams. Good snipers will inevitably end up together on suspense and cause havoc. It is by chance, and it is only for the match. Suspense rarely gets voted twice.
Originally posted by BAIN

What does eMp stand for?


Electro Magnetic Pulse?




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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:19pm
Also, if you can't beat a team who is focused on sniping, you gotta work on your own vehicle team work. Raptor runs smash lone wolf snipers any day of the week.

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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by Danjel8

Eating Many Penis.

It will be Envy, hcruix and boogie.

Nice little group going there :) More clans the better.
 
I saw that coming a mile (kilometer for you euro punks) and it was still hilarious!


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Posted By: Helscream
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Potorikan



U know what, I think Ur right.  He's annoying and a bit gay and if he can't defend, attack, support and use vehicles without using KBM I should be more sympathetic to him.  I suppose we can't blame Headhunter for relying on KBM to be good at this game since he it seems has no choice in the matter. 

oddly enough I feel better already.  In fact, it's not even about lacking respect for him anymore.   I feel somewhat sorry for him and all the other KBM users.  Here's hoping one day he finds the strength and courage to take a chance and learn to use a controller.  I suspect it will help him acquire the skills we all seem to take for granted.


 
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Posted By: MEGA_-TrON-
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:26pm
I see no problem with snipers in a match, I myself don't snipe but if I find myself in a match with snipers I fine ways to get around them or kill them.
I won't cry About it and ask them to get out of there comfert zone.. Man up and play the game.. Aqua is right, get better or get beat! But don't come on the forums crying how u are forced to stay in your base and camp cuz u can't get by a few snipers.

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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:27pm
I love how Twofase just sets the fire and then leaves it.

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by NecroBeestiality

I love how Twofase just sets the fire and then leaves it.
 
But who will add the fuel? Where is Rev Crow when you need him?


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by NecroBeestiality

I love how Twofase just sets the fire and then leaves it.
 
But who will add the fuel? Where is Rev Crow when you need him?
Haha Lol - I was gonna post that a few hours ago, not like the blessed Rev to miss a baptism. Jk Ok!


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:36pm
TWO FASE: "snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base."

I really can't understand from reading the original author's post why some of you have skewed the source of his angst. Lots of players are doing it, game after game. It is normal to see 3 maybe 4 snipers tucked away sniping targets from long distance.
I'm really tired of hearing VCTF is simple, VCTF is weak. No mode is as simple as that lame argument. Control the midfield and 9 times out of 10 you win in VCTF (although I will concede that hitching onto vehicles that bypa** a controlled area is a quick way to victory which I see as a weakness). I hear lots of ppl saying 'not Kargo' - why? My guess is that you get someone good in the goliath then you dominate the midfield and you'll win. But they can't camp effectively only in their own base and they can't bypa** midfield cos theyre no alternative routes and no flying vehicles. Kargo is one of the best maps imo but still. In warfare control centre node and you have a platform for victory but it is more tactical bec of the countdown nodes, east-west nodes, tank and leviathan nodes and not all maps have a centre.
CTF ppl complain about lots of players dousing bio on the flag, spamming rockets etc its the same argument it ruins the game but it gets the job done (cept sniping requires skill if you want the accolades awarded by the game, TWO FASE is suggesting its not driven by tactics but by the need to get trophies, raise their headshot kill count etc). To whom it applies you know why you do it and some of you are justifying your actions which is exactly what i would do. Necro you're taking it as a personal slant at your skills as a sniper just as im taking issue with ppl who say VCTF is weak. No doubt someone will say stop playing in pubs or dont play VCTF if thats your opinion. But there are ppl here who don't play VCTF so why don't you write to EPIC and tell them if/when they do UT4 either address the issue or delete VCTF. Im sure they'll listen to your reasons. meanwhile i'm playing VCTF and WF and TDM and whatever i feel like doing cos my opinion is the only thing that matters to me on the value and virtues of a mode or pub games etc.


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:53pm
if that's the case you need to keep quiet about ctf campers.

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by FoeBia

if that's the case you need to keep quiet about ctf campers.

lol f*** campers PERIOD...


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 2:41pm
oh and my last post was to envvy only.

and at rikan LOL that how's qM looks at the other modes to.
I'll be like man lets be the best in warfare.
bumrush says nah man I rather kill on foot. f*** the car modes.

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by _EnVy_

warfare really isnt about map control, maybe a few maps like torlan and avalanche but thats about it it terms of total map control. lol i really dont see why so many players like to only play vctf. its sad to see warfare be swallowed up by this lame mode. thats what im impling, nothing more...
Sorry but thats no implication "this lame mode" that's a statement. I've put it in green but i'm sure you can work out why for yourself. 
And to the theory that "so many players like to only play vctf" that so many anti-VCTF campaigners like to promote as a fact I'd just like to say that I play most modes. When I do drift from `VCTF to other modes I see other VCTF players playing in those modes too. And if you would like I could reel off a long list of VCTF players who cross mode OR maybe you could post a 'How many of these modes to you VCTF players play regularly' poll to confirm or refute what I have just said.
C'mon be fair! Don't start hitting on modes that are more popular than the one you prefer. WF is an awesome mode but all i hear is there aren't any good games left in WF. Yet there's Bain's server sitting idle and 20+ excellent WF saying the same sh1t. To think the All Star Games were not so long ago eh! A little more constructive thinking and positive effort could see your beloved mode restored to some former glory and there would be a lot more happy bunnies bouncing around in the woods. If only eh!


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 4:11pm
trust me i know why players dont play warfare as much these days. ill be trying my hardest to spark up a few matches. like in the old days we all used to meet up at certain times to get some games going. ill be seeking to do just that when i return. but yeah just to answer you on you quoting me and that green statement. what i mean by that is the skill level just blows in vctf. i dont consider a mode that supports camping to be skillful. this is why most of the ma**es play it and treat it like a DM. its a fun mode to sit there and kill because its the easiest mode to do that imo. i love vctf, just not the skill level of it. to f***ing easy to camp, nuf said...

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 4:27pm
Top end VCTF is very very hard and requires a lot of skill. Just like every mode.

Some of the noobs I've seen in warfare are ridiculous compared to vctf... healing their own core, shooting unlinked cores and nodes, taking the orb to the core.

CTF doesn't really cater for noobs in fact most foot modes don't, not because they require more skill (thats a different arguement) but I personally believe the noobs love vehicles and huge maps where they are able to explore a little without getting a rocket shoved up their a** as they try to grab the nearest gun.

Not every VCTF player camps, its a ma**ive generalisation to say that. Its just that defence is critical because a flag can be scored in 10 seconds on maps like Suspense and Sandstorm.

I'm pretty sick of people putting other modes and people down, each mode takes skill, each gun takes skill to use, if you get killed by it then accept it.

I'm in the top half of warfare and VCTF players currently playing the game, both modes take skill, both modes require strategies and I love them both for different reasons. People don't get into warfare because the nodes confuse people, people get into vctf coz the mission statement is simple, achieving it isn't.


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by Danjel8

Top end VCTF is very very hard and requires a lot of skill. Just like every mode.

Some of the noobs I've seen in warfare are ridiculous compared to vctf... healing their own core, shooting unlinked cores and nodes, taking the orb to the core.

CTF doesn't really cater for noobs in fact most foot modes don't, not because they require more skill (thats a different arguement) but I personally believe the noobs love vehicles and huge maps where they are able to explore a little without getting a rocket shoved up their a** as they try to grab the nearest gun.

Not every VCTF player camps, its a ma**ive generalisation to say that. Its just that defence is critical because a flag can be scored in 10 seconds on maps like Suspense and Sandstorm.

I'm pretty sick of people putting other modes and people down, each mode takes skill, each gun takes skill to use, if you get killed by it then accept it.

I'm in the top half of warfare and VCTF players currently playing the game, both modes take skill, both modes require strategies and I love them both for different reasons. People don't get into warfare because the nodes confuse people, people get into vctf coz the mission statement is simple, achieving it isn't.
True say mate! That guy Landrell he may be a c0cky so and so but give the guy credit, he dont sit there camping - he hunts the flag and foot players like his GF promised him a bonus Wink And there are more guys like him too. Krister - KShaker talked from day 1 and played by not camping, Lorivolpone, Zero808, VKrazy - sniper come flag hunter turned flag runner, Wingzero, Michael559 - Need I go on?
Envy-See your point bt Ive been killed by ppl campling redeemer, tank node, DW node, boots in WF. Tis easier in vehicle modes - maps are bigger. CTF killed by campers in Omnicron and Reflection and Hydrosis. TDM killed by campers in Arsenal Deck Defiance but oddly no one camps for long in Rising Sun.Wish u luck with WF revival. I tried to load the GOW map pack on my server - all but one failed and the one that ran crad=shed the server cos of missing textures etc. But at least thay offer some light.


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:11pm
it still supports camping, nuf said...

but i do love my vctf, dont get me wrong guys =/


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Posted By: Two_Fase
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:12pm
Envy
this guy always wants to compare modes when its not even the topic. warfare is a great mode.  we get that. it doesn't have to be brought into every topic of discussion
 
Aquaknot
i will agree with you on your point. in a clan match-everything that is respectable is very legal. a team of 3-4 snipers most likely would'nt be a problem. (that is not to sound c***y but a simple statement made because clan matches are more organised and things are handled differently and accordingly because you play with a consistant group of people)
 
mega tron-
i believe you're commenting on a mode you don't play very much. hey i could be wrong. no one is crying about anything it was a simple statement i made that got twisted way out of porportion for some (thanks trin for tryinjg to clarify) if you (one person) is getting sniped by 3-4 snipers and you can't make it mid field you try to do something else right? that leaves staying on base to at least try to keep the other team from scoring. just my opinion.
 
necro
in answer to your last statement i didn't start a fire i just gathered the people to the camp site. lol. don't want you to feel like i'm attacking you. you happened to be in the particular game i was refferring to but this wasn't a one time thing it happens on occasion. i play this game to have fun. being target practice in a pub isn't fun for me. so when i'm not having fun i just leave and call it a day. 
 
 
at the end of the day we are gonna play the game as we feel. i just wanted to point this out and it's at no particular individual. play at your strengths and play at your weaknesses thats how we all get better. if you play at a strength 24/7 and thats all you do then it will seem your playing just to irritate people cause thats all they see you doing. 


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:37pm
well its true twofase =]

but yeah i do compare apples to oranges to much...


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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by _EnVy_

well its true twofase =]

but yeah i do compare apples to oranges to much...


a concession....from you??? are planets colliding?? lol


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:49pm
lol i guess so =P

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Posted By: iTz-He4DSh0T
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by Potorikan

when playing Headhunter it's a dif story.  I can't wait to face him on foot with him only using a controller.  


Controller? lmao dude stop been a Fa.g and accept i will never choose the controller over KB/M. The Epic Programmers added the kb/m Feature to UT3-PS3 so there is nothing wrong with using it. The only time you will see me using the Controller is in the Clanwarz server playing Instagib and i still have a good aim on that and around 7 out of 10 times i will be the Winner.

if you think i will be using the Controller on Sundays Match u can forget it. now stop wineing like a baby about me using kb/m and every other kb/m users..........we are here to stay END OFF

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:40pm
can you answer me this honestly headshot? does kb/m feel better and make shots easier for you? obv the hit scans, you could lie your a** off and i would simply laugh at you in saying its about the same. but im asking do you think personally that kb/m is better to use than a controller? i was just wondering because i was thinking about giving it a try myself. if it doesnt do anything speacial, i wont waste my time. but i know from past experiences that kb/m on the pc was x10 easier to aim with than a thumb on a six axis. so is kb/m better than a controller?



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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by _EnVy_

can you answer me this honestly headshot? does kb/m feel better and make shots easier for you? obv the hit scans, you could lie your a** off and i would simply laugh at you in saying its about the same. but im asking do you think personally that kb/m is better to use than a controller? i was just wondering because i was thinking about giving it a try myself. if it doesnt do anything speacial, i wont waste my time. but i know from past experiences that kb/m on the pc was x10 easier to aim with than a thumb on a six axis. so is kb/m better than a controller?



now that is a loaded question


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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 12:00am
omg i just want to know,...honestly! ive never heard the truth about it. so i was wondering is all. i got the headphones, and yes they help you on smaller maps with limited range and maps that support camping 10 fold. so i was just wondering how kb/m worked as in all around movements and aim once you got used to it. ive played kb/m for over 12 years and know how good they are to use. but i tried fragFX and that was the biggest waste of money i ever spent. i was just wondering if it was worth it is all. damn dude, dont get all paranoid on me lmaoxD

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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 1:00am
envy send me ur fragfx

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Posted By: XKaL1buR
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 1:14am
kb/m support for ut3 on ps3 is ****ty as hell. end of story. It's not the same as using kb/m on pc. The fn mouse lags like hell. It's like dragging the cursor through some invisible mud or some ****, idk. Pad > kb/m on the ps3

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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 9:21am

i used kbm for a long time on ps3 and i will say, it is awful support.. i dont think its native support probably some cheap emulation epic rigged up with little effort to making it work well.. probably figured if they got it working perfectly it would be a slaughter.. which is 100% true.

it took me forever to adapt to the kbm on ut3.. its very sloppy and i would miss alot of shots that on pc would be easy.. but im not complaining.. the controller is just as hard if not harder.. im just pointing out that like xkali said.. the support is awful !.. maybe on purpose..
 
another thing people havent mentioned about kbm is the keyboard side of things.. doing things in vehicles like kamikazing your vehicle into someone etc i found alot easier on controller, and even once i had it properly binded to the keyboard alot of the times (id say in between 10%-25%) that you press a key on the keyboard it wouldnt even recognize (same with mouse clicks).
 
ive already explained my wierd weapon cycling to remy that i use for quakelive.. but its just what i use and it works incredible for me.. thing is in ut3 i couldnt use it because those keys arent bindable in the ps3 version.. so i was basically playing without one of my greatest strengths.
 
but overall this is what i would say about kbm on ps3.
1. if you dont suck at mouse you can snipe better
2. alot of annoying things will happen and you will have some headaches dealing with it
3. if you have sick aim on a controller.. imo you are better off with the controller.. it fires every time you click r1, unlike when you click the mouse, it jumps everytime etc etc.. just being able to rely on the controller is a huge bonus and i wouldnt use kbm unless i was skilled with it.
4. took me MONTHS to adapt back to pc kbm and play efficiently.. now that i have i dont think i could ever deal with the downfalls of the kbm support on ps3 again.
5. it was most likely pa**ed thru QC with these issues figuring it makes it more even.. which i wouldnt argue with.
6. during the first 6 months of this game i was pretty much untouchable.. and guess what.. i couldnt even wall jump.. some people havent been around very long and dont realize originally the kbm didnt even have double jump or wall jump support


Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 9:54am
Totally agree with your 6 point summary... Its very hard using KB/M, I've tried and gave up within minutes. Was horrible :(

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Posted By: THE_KING_ETERNAL
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 10:07am
Originally posted by _EnVy_

warfare really isnt about map control, maybe a few maps like torlan and avalanche but thats about it it terms of total map control. lol i really dont see why so many players like to only play vctf. its sad to see warfare be swallowed up by this lame mode. thats what im impling, nothing more...
warfare is a good mode from what i see if i spent more time in there i probably would like it but in any mode if the teams are stacked ur most likely lose if u were playin ICN with a whole bunch of noobs u will lose. it takes knowlede, skill, and good teamwork to win in vctf its not just running people over wit vechicles or sniping all day. As in warfare the same thing is needed man. i do agree wit phantaci that people should play da foot mode to be able to stand against good players, but vctf isn't pointless its fun u should kno ma**acring people wit da darkwalker. its just dumb how u have some people like rampage who send stupid f***in messages to people saying vctf is a noob mode but u see them playin it all the timeConfused

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 10:39am
LOL king thats coz they think they are better than they are... and get pissed off when they get killed over and over.

F4gg0ts!


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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 10:50am
I  play Ut 99 on pc and have to agree with most of what deadaim raised.
I know its not a proper comparison (kbm ut99 vs controller UT3) but close enough.
 
Sniping is DEFINETLY EASIER, another thing that would give kbm users an advantage, in my opinion,  is the lateral movement and Aim centering with KBM
 
Ive gone up against some KBM guys on foot in Vctf that have the ability to dodge laterraly (not one way) while keeping the secondary link constantly on you as the dodge side to side. its brutal. and impossible on controller. at least with the way i have my settings.
 
However, I'd say what deadaim said is pretty much spot on if the kbm support is, in fact, that glitchy.


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Posted By: THE_KING_ETERNAL
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 10:59am
Originally posted by Danjel8

LOL king thats coz they think they are better than they are... and get pissed off when they get killed over and over.

F4gg0ts!
 
lol especially when they're shooting at u wit a rocket launcher and u put a longbowed to dat face cla**ic!


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Posted By: SilverJ-17
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2009 at 11:51pm
Meh.. if the snipers are a sniping, I'll be out to be a crushin' them with either a manta, viper, fury, or raptor.  Too bad a fair portion of them seem to have an Avril, most of the time..  If it gets too bad, I'll simply leave.  Problem solved, unless it's a clan match.

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Posted By: AM_pulzee
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 8:07am
Originally posted by Two_Fase

i'm all about getting fun kills just as much as the next guy we all do it, that we can all be guilty of. snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base. then in return if you can't move off base what do you do you're forced to camp more heavily than usual because you can't leave your base.

vctf is not a dm. go out and explore a new vehicle, fly a raptor, drive a tank run a flag maybe. get out of that little comfort zone switch it up. its a fun game we play to see how many kills we get with one weapon, yeah it's cute try it in a dm where it'll be worth the effort
I think if there were modes  called VD (vechile deathmatch), & VTDM (vehicle team deathmath) where you can camp & simply just kill people in any vehicle you want, theses  game types will be the most popular game types in the game & will prevent people treating Vctf & warfare like its VTDM

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 8:10am
Originally posted by AM_pulzee

Originally posted by Two_Fase

i'm all about getting fun kills just as much as the next guy we all do it, that we can all be guilty of. snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base. then in return if you can't move off base what do you do you're forced to camp more heavily than usual because you can't leave your base.

vctf is not a dm. go out and explore a new vehicle, fly a raptor, drive a tank run a flag maybe. get out of that little comfort zone switch it up. its a fun game we play to see how many kills we get with one weapon, yeah it's cute try it in a dm where it'll be worth the effort
I think if there were modes  called VD (vechile deathmatch), & VTDM (vehicle team deathmath) where you can camp & simply just kill people in any vehicle you want, theses  game types will be the most popular game types in the game & will prevent people treating Vctf & warfare like its VTDM


Would you really camp though if you had nothing to defend?


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Posted By: SilverJ-17
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by AM_pulzee

Originally posted by Two_Fase

i'm all about getting fun kills just as much as the next guy we all do it, that we can all be guilty of. snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base. then in return if you can't move off base what do you do you're forced to camp more heavily than usual because you can't leave your base.

vctf is not a dm. go out and explore a new vehicle, fly a raptor, drive a tank run a flag maybe. get out of that little comfort zone switch it up. its a fun game we play to see how many kills we get with one weapon, yeah it's cute try it in a dm where it'll be worth the effort
I think if there were modes  called VD (vechile deathmatch), & VTDM (vehicle team deathmath) where you can camp & simply just kill people in any vehicle you want, theses  game types will be the most popular game types in the game & will prevent people treating Vctf & warfare like its VTDM


I would like to see a VTDM btw..  Oh well, at least there's a Castle-12 and say.. All Over TDM? ( http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyweyym3e3g/USERDATA.JAM - http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyweyym3e3g/USERDATA.JAM )  Maybe, someone needs to spread the word to those pesky noobs who would rather make VCTF into VTDM.


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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by SilverJ-17

Originally posted by AM_pulzee

Originally posted by Two_Fase

i'm all about getting fun kills just as much as the next guy we all do it, that we can all be guilty of. snipping 24/7 in a vctf match is the most annoying thing ever when done by multiple players for the entire match. you can say the same thing about the darkwalker or a fury spawn killing and going on a killing spree but thats just one vehicle as opposed to 3 snipers not letting you move off base. then in return if you can't move off base what do you do you're forced to camp more heavily than usual because you can't leave your base.

vctf is not a dm. go out and explore a new vehicle, fly a raptor, drive a tank run a flag maybe. get out of that little comfort zone switch it up. its a fun game we play to see how many kills we get with one weapon, yeah it's cute try it in a dm where it'll be worth the effort
I think if there were modes  called VD (vechile deathmatch), & VTDM (vehicle team deathmath) where you can camp & simply just kill people in any vehicle you want, theses  game types will be the most popular game types in the game & will prevent people treating Vctf & warfare like its VTDM


I would like to see a VTDM btw..  Oh well, at least there's a Castle-12 and say.. All Over TDM? ( http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyweyym3e3g/USERDATA.JAM - http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyweyym3e3g/USERDATA.JAM )  Maybe, someone needs to spread the word to those pesky noobs who would rather make VCTF into VTDM.


Never ever gonna happen.

People camp in VCTF because they have something to defend. A VDM would be absolutely crap, both teams would get insanely bored very quickly...


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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 3:01pm
UT3 community is a microcosm of the world. 

You have mostly good people, and then you have some not so good.
You have those who live and understand the concept of community and those who don't.

The only difference is in the real world, the are rules and people who enforce them.

In the Ut3 community we are self regulated. So there will be abuses. It can't be helped.

There are imperfect people operating in imperfect conditions.
Once in a while you'll get a good match in a pub, share some laughs with good peeps.
Sometimes you won't.

This forum is like  therapy, you can vent your frustrations all you want but in the end you're better off understanding the reality of Ut3 just like the reality of the world.

Even with laws and a policing functions there will always be criminals and antisocial behavior even in the real world. In that context i think were doing ok.

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 3:56pm
Your spot on Fluffy, it is just a game and people are gonna play how they want. Just play your game how you wanna, if you get annoyed by something kill them or leave. 

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Posted By: J_Rivers
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 10:26pm
I'd quote your initial post Two_Fase, but the PS3 browser has a character limit...

I hold a strong opinion that if you bought the game you have the right to do whatever the fu¢k you want. That being said tho, VCTF has indeed been turned into a sniper fest. Peeps have forgotten that you win by scoring flags & charging vehicles. Like I said earlier, it seems like people believe that the more you snipe, the bigger your member is gonna get.

But whatever dawg, if you wanna hide in some random corner & snipe away, it's all good. Maybe some day I'll bump into ya at mid-field & shove my 12-inch shaft right up your a$$.

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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 10:30pm
LMAo - yeah... what he said.

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2009 at 10:34pm
 j rivers...

LOL

aka c*** boy xDD

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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 3:42am
in light of all this, u know wat we need is an 8v8 VCTF SNIPE OFF! lol
players can only snipe from their base. cross midfield and Rivers will come and shove his 12 inch shaft up ur a**! lol
we could give Corruption a run for its money as the longest match ever played.
any takers? :P

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Posted By: SickNviciouS
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 6:46am
I'll play in this for sure.  I can be the sniper bullet magnet- it's not like I'm not that already...

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 7:15am
yeah give the snipers a corruption/vctf match with arena mutator or weapons replacement and the snipe wh0res can cream their little panties on an 8x8. The rest of us might be able to njoy a match where sniping isnt the preferred mode of killing. Doubt if it would b effective though.

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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 8:52am
Sniping rules. I hate getting sniped but at the same time its my prefered weapon after rockets and an avril. 70 per hit... worth using if you have above average accuracy.

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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

The rest of us might be able to njoy a match where sniping isnt the preferred mode of killing. Doubt if it would b effective though.


its called warfare ~.^

sniping is fine, not much really pisses me off in this game. except for noobs not doing **** right, and team stacking little pussies. thats all that gets me mad, and maybe playing the same maps over and over or lil b****es titan spawn killing on kargo. thats about it...

so snipe away, dont listen to this thread...


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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2009 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by Danjel8

Sniping rules. I hate getting sniped but at the same time its my prefered weapon after rockets and an avril. 70 per hit... worth using if you have above average accuracy.


+1


However....
After getting sniped constantly on suspense by the best sniper in vctf (imo) and a couple other good ones, I won't be sniping as many players in their base. I am not going cold turkey but I am going to cut back. I didn't get mad or angry I just didn't see the point of constantly respawning. I left. Sort of the opposite of what I set out to do when I put this game in my PS3. I understand the other side of the argument much better now but I will never tell anyone to stop sniping until they come out with some kind of patch or pill that artificially satisfies my need to snipe. I would be a hypocrite and then I would have to call my self out and have a huge iAM thread war with my self and a few people chiming in uninvited.


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Posted By: iAM_xplorer2233
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2009 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by Danjel8

Sniping rules. I hate getting sniped but at the same time its my prefered weapon after rockets and an avril. 70 per hit... worth using if you have above average accuracy.
thats y i dont use it i only use rockets (that lock on) and flak thats all i got


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Posted By: NecroBeestiality
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2009 at 7:31pm
I got my first ma**acre today in suspense with the rifle. I think I have a problem.

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Posted By: Do_Or_Die_420
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2009 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by NecroBeestiality

I got my first ma**acre today in suspense with the rifle. I think I have a problem.
Congrats Bobby!  What glitch were you hiding inLOL

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Posted By: Two_Fase
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2009 at 2:20am
gotta give him credit....he's touching the flag more

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Posted By: DVirus_R
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2009 at 6:47am
Originally posted by AM_pulzee

I think if there were modes  called VD (vechile deathmatch), & VTDM (vehicle team deathmath) where you can camp & simply just kill people in any vehicle you want, theses  game types will be the most popular game types in the game & will prevent people treating Vctf & warfare like its VTDM
 
well, many weeks ago, i downloaded the Snowreal, but, i saw on internet, you got a skatetable and, idk how to use the words to describe, but all know that, mine doesn't work like that, mine work like a DM in all the maps. and sometimes i done a host server called: VEHICLES WAR.
 
is a VDM, lol, pulzee VTDM remember me to DSX VTD Team, lol, so, the ppl who join. they like to play it, now we can say, VCTF is not a DM, go to Vehicles war to get somethig like that, lol. but why not? will be great for the vehicles lovers. lol.
Ouch
 


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Posted By: AM_pulzee
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2009 at 2:06pm
yep, snowreal rules, its snow boarding & DM ( on ANY map) in 1 download, F*ck all over DM MOD, snowreal is better, you even get to play DM on any UT2D, SR & BR maps. YOU cant on the all over DM MOD!!!!

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Posted By: SilverJ-17
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2009 at 3:05pm
I do admit that there is a certain special feeling, when you're driving a custom Scorpion up the hill, in order to kill snowboarders, or kill everyone that reaches the bottom.  And.. for beating my record (or trying to), you get Scorpion blades in the chest.  Also, doesn't it crash on every map that isn't a Snowreal one?


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Posted By: A-R_siIIyy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2009 at 6:27pm
8vs8 sniper rooms already exist,,,jus go on any suspense map & wen that map is done everyone will leave cus u cant camp like this on any other map

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Posted By: Dr4g0v
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2010 at 12:40pm
CbS read this topic please ...

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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2010 at 1:08pm
sniping on suspense makes sense.. and its extremely easy tactic to counter.. just snipe them back. i have no problem blowing ppls heads off even on the EU servers.. that is of course in the limited time i have before they rage quit. and planting a tank on a flag.. is a horrible tactic and nothing worth complaining about.. just flak it.

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