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Topic: Upload speeds/online gaming
Posted By: Crypto-_-421
Subject: Upload speeds/online gaming
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:48am
Been wondering how critical upload speed is and what is a decent speed for multiplayer online? One Meg, two Meg? About to get a package that is 25/25 Dwn & up. Been running 10/1. I think upload speed is just as crucial as download!! Any thoughts?


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:27am
25 up seems a bit excessive. I get by fine with 2 - 3 up.

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Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:33am
Decent speed is about:

Download: 1448 kb/s
Upload: 324 kb/s

Ping: Around 56ms 
Distance: 50 mi

This is my own actually and its running great. Hardly any lag at all.
I think you could run at a download 1000 kb/s min. 
But below that you could experience some frame loss and lag issues.

Upload speed is just as important as download speed tho. Upload speed is the rate at which you can send data to the host and the players of your game.

Hope that answers your question.


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Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:37am
Mine-=

Download-2784kb/s
Upload-454kb/s

Very laggy i got to admit


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im tired.


Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:40am
try to get alteast 1MB for your upload speed.

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Posted By: Aquaknot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 10:19am
All the packets you send and receive in online gaming is limited by 1)Ping  2)data rate

Think of it this way; if a guy shoots your character, all of that information has to come downstream to your device (PS3 in this case) and then needs to be sent back round trip to his device so the guy that shot your character sees it fall.  Your overall experience will be reflective of the lowest common denominator in your connection speed and Ping rate.

Ping rate is just how clean and direct your connection is to the host.  The more "hops" your machine makes to the host, the more likely you are to run in to a slow connection, bogged down router, etc.  This is outside of your control.

It's really a combination of both User's speed that affects overall game play.  This is best seen when a player with "2 bars" joins your team in a game like Black Ops.  His data rate pulls down the entire team.  The same is true for games like BF3, where everyone can have a great data rate, but the load and activity from flying vehicles, ground vehicles and foot players is sending so much data concurrently, there is obvious frame drop and lag.

Long story short, get 1.5Mb to 5Mb up speed for the best available experience.  The download speeds seem to take care of themselves (unless your on a budget connection) and many ISPs use "Burstable" downstream data rates to accomodate video and online gaming activity.


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Posted By: Crypto-_-421
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 12:25pm
Thanks knot, bain and others! Feedback was helpful!! Probably run with 20/2!! Had 10/1 and had virtually no lag in resistance 3 unlike ut/3 laggy as hell at times. Moh runs smooth.


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 12:29pm
Just remember that most ISPs do not guarantee you the top speed, just "up to" that top speed. I have 25 down and have seen it vary from 37 to 17. It's cable so alot has to do with how many other people in the vicinity are online downloading.

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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 12:34pm
Just out of curiousity, what is a good ping number?

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Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:01pm
i think 25-- or less than 45..

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im tired.


Posted By: Aquaknot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by BAIN

Just out of curiousity, what is a good ping number?

<50 = excellent
<100 = good/ok

These are in milliseconds.


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:08pm
SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Your computer is usually sending a tiny packet to get the quickest response. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server and the type of information that is being sent/processed/responded to. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping rates.


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping levels.
thanks. way to burst my bubble, lol.

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by BAIN

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping levels.
thanks. way to burst my bubble, lol.
 
Not trying to burst your bubble. The servers that are used for gaming are usually junk. That is why people have ping rate issues. Not to mention that they are usually running 100s of servers from a single T-3 connection which screws the user connections. The gaming industry wants to sell disks with minimal post-sale support. That is why dedicated servers are usually not that great. They are usually cheap computers, not real servers. Your connection sounds awesome, but uping the Bandwidth won't see ping rate improvement at those levels.


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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:10pm

ISP's do not ever give you equil up load as down load, it doesnt work that way.  its generaly around 1/5 to  1/3rd but your upload is not the matter of connecting to a server, upload is what determines your host or abililtly to send not recieve so for gaming it doesnt matter.  the equipment matters most imo cause if you have fast net but sh!t gear you will have sh!t net.

my internet is
25mb download
4.5mb upload
and i use a $300 netgear dual band router with bandwidth priority.
it can be set to only give bandwidth based on how you set it so you can prioritize what equipment get how much of you net. 
 
you would have to have a 100mb download to get 25mb upload
it probably is 2.5 up load which would make sense.


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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping levels.
thanks. way to burst my bubble, lol.
 
Not trying to burst your bubble. The servers that are used for gaming are usually junk. That is why people have ping rate issues. Not to mention that they are usually running 100s of servers from a single T-3 connection which screws the user connections. The gaming industry wants to sell disks with minimal post-sale support. That is why dedicated servers are usually not that great. They are usually cheap computers, not real servers. Your connection sounds awesome, but uping the Bandwidth won't see ping rate improvement at those levels.
again wifi and your gear will make a big difference in your ping as well.
with a cheap belkin surf n go router and my ps3 on wifi i would ping 56 to chicago
with my netgear with hardline connection i ping anywhere from 16 to 32 and thats at least 240miles from my house, hell i even ping average 56 from minnesota to newyork and im not sure how many miles that is but im sure in 1000plus


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Posted By: iTz-He4DSh0T
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:34pm
16Mb Download 1Mb Upload + Fastpath Enabled for Better Ping Smile




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Posted By: Aquaknot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:46pm
Open a DOS Prompt (windows) and do a Trace Route to a known server (any server will do).  You'll see a list of hops and the speed between the hops.  It will look like this:

c:\tracert iamgaming.com

I'm on wireless so the first hop is to my router, which from where I'm sitting is 13Ms.  Next hop is to my cable modem, then I jump around in my ISP for 3 hops, then to the ISP for my ISP (none of them own the their own cable), then to the ISP for the server host, then to the server host, then to the router/switch rack the server is on and then finally to the server itself.

There can be and usually are; firewalls, load balancing servers, switches and routers that you jump through on one given test, which will not show up the next time you test it.


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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping levels.
thanks. way to burst my bubble, lol.
 
Not trying to burst your bubble. The servers that are used for gaming are usually junk. That is why people have ping rate issues. Not to mention that they are usually running 100s of servers from a single T-3 connection which screws the user connections. The gaming industry wants to sell disks with minimal post-sale support. That is why dedicated servers are usually not that great. They are usually cheap computers, not real servers. Your connection sounds awesome, but uping the Bandwidth won't see ping rate improvement at those levels.
again wifi and your gear will make a big difference in your ping as well.
with a cheap belkin surf n go router and my ps3 on wifi i would ping 56 to chicago
with my netgear with hardline connection i ping anywhere from 16 to 32 and thats at least 240miles from my house, hell i even ping average 56 from minnesota to newyork and im not sure how many miles that is but im sure in 1000plus
WiFi and your gear effect ping, not because of your bandwidth, but because they are restrictive appliances. The point of a router is to make multiple devices share a single connection. Therefore, a router that is less restrictive would lead to lowered ping. This has nothing to do with the effect caused by bandwidth (your internet connection). If you want to know what your true ping is to a specific server, plug your PS3 directly into the cable moden and check that way. That is the least restrictive check.
 
Also the recieving server has a play in this equation. So distance is not the greatest factor in ping. s h i t recieving server = s h i t response time.
 
Also Aqua's post is even moe money in explaining the factors invovled.


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Posted By: Aquaknot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:54pm
A note on wireless...

At one point I ran 4 UT3 servers wirelessly from my garage - all on the same box.  ISP bandwidth was 20/5.  Nobody had any idea they were wireless.  The box was set up for a 300Mb data stream at 5.8MHz, used QUAD Core P4 at 2.3GHz, 7,200 RPM WD Scorpio Blue Drives in RAID 10 configuration, 750W power supply and had 16 Gb RAM.  IF SSD was available, I would have used them.  That would have been sweet.

I just broke this machine down and junked it last week.  I did keep the power supply and vid card though.


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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 8:14pm
I live just outside of Dallas. My UT3 server was based in Dallas. 14 hops!!!!! LOL. I only had 21 hops to the server I leased in Atlanta. Damn ISPs.

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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by BAIN

SWEET!!! When I run SpeedTest it's usally around 15.
 
That's the ping for the server running the speed test. Not what you'll get in game. Each server will have a different ping based on your connection to that particular server. The lower the ping means two things, you're close to the server your are connecting to and the server and your bandwidth are minimally restricted when communicating.
 
You can have a .5MB download bandwidth and still achieve those ping levels.
thanks. way to burst my bubble, lol.
 
Not trying to burst your bubble. The servers that are used for gaming are usually junk. That is why people have ping rate issues. Not to mention that they are usually running 100s of servers from a single T-3 connection which screws the user connections. The gaming industry wants to sell disks with minimal post-sale support. That is why dedicated servers are usually not that great. They are usually cheap computers, not real servers. Your connection sounds awesome, but uping the Bandwidth won't see ping rate improvement at those levels.
again wifi and your gear will make a big difference in your ping as well.
with a cheap belkin surf n go router and my ps3 on wifi i would ping 56 to chicago
with my netgear with hardline connection i ping anywhere from 16 to 32 and thats at least 240miles from my house, hell i even ping average 56 from minnesota to newyork and im not sure how many miles that is but im sure in 1000plus
WiFi and your gear effect ping, not because of your bandwidth, but because they are restrictive appliances. The point of a router is to make multiple devices share a single connection. Therefore, a router that is less restrictive would lead to lowered ping. This has nothing to do with the effect caused by bandwidth (your internet connection). If you want to know what your true ping is to a specific server, plug your PS3 directly into the cable moden and check that way. That is the least restrictive check.
 
Also the recieving server has a play in this equation. So distance is not the greatest factor in ping. s h i t recieving server = s h i t response time.
 
Also Aqua's post is even moe money in explaining the factors invovled.
uh i didnt say that wifi and your gear effect your ping because of bandwidth so?  i said sh!t gear will produce sh!tter results in speed and connection. 

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Posted By: Aquaknot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 10:35pm
For you guys stuck playing wirelessly, I've had great results with these:


http://www.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAVB5001.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAVB5001.aspx

You'll get far better performance with this than you will wirelessly.  PS3 max connection is wireless "G".  There is no benefit from "N".  If you can find a reasonably old router with MIMO, that will give you the best "G" speeds.

The only issue I found was a room far from the router that was behind a GFCI device.  Apparently current building codes require all bedrooms to have Ground Fault protectors.  I solved that by wiring the entire house for network... post condtruction Dead


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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 11:36pm
and actually bandwidth does affect your ping Geek

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 12:27am
Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

and actually bandwidth does affect your ping Geek
 
What are you pinging?


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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:12am
Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

and actually bandwidth does affect your ping Geek
 
What are you pinging?
i told you in other post what i ping now but when i was on sh!t gear and on dsl i would ping 56 or so to chicago, thats around 240miles away, but with cable and sh!t gear i was about the same, after i got better gear i ping around 16 to 32 to chicago and average 56 to newyork (around 1000miles away).  i know that distance doesnt always determine your ping as well but i am MCP MTA certified and i go to school for networking and server administrating. i know that type of ISP GEAR AND SETUP determines over all proformance no matter what..  like i said in other post.. you could have 100mb download but 
sh!t gear and it will equil sh!t net overall bottom line.Geek

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Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 10:53am
Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

Originally posted by Pinnacle

Originally posted by XxXDEATHXxX101

and actually bandwidth does affect your ping Geek
 
What are you pinging?
i told you in other post what i ping now but when i was on sh!t gear and on dsl i would ping 56 or so to chicago, thats around 240miles away, but with cable and sh!t gear i was about the same, after i got better gear i ping around 16 to 32 to chicago and average 56 to newyork (around 1000miles away).  i know that distance doesnt always determine your ping as well but i am MCP MTA certified and i go to school for networking and server administrating. i know that type of ISP GEAR AND SETUP determines over all proformance no matter what..  like i said in other post.. you could have 100mb download but 
sh!t gear and it will equil sh!t net overall bottom line.Geek
 
I meant what are you ping to? Not your rate. The point I was making is that pinging different servers will result in different ping rates. Bandwidth is only a small part of the equation, which your point is proving. I think we are arguing for the same thing only from different directions.
 
The point I was makming earlier is that people believe that if they have more bandwidth, their ping rates to gaming servers will lower. Not necessarily true. There is a point of diminishing returns on higher bandwidth equalling lower ping rates. As long as a user's bandwidth is larger than the packet sizes, there are no restriction causes by the internet connection. Higher ping resulting from that situation means there is something else at play which is causing higher ping, as you have explained.
 
Simply put, a 100MB download/100MB upload bandwidth would do nothing special for a gamer unless they are sending packets of information that are 100MB or less, which is never the case in gaming.


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 3:37pm
Nah upload speed helps a LOT. trust me I use to have an even trashier connection.

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Posted By: FaZeD_U
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:22pm
i went from 3 mb/s upload to 33 mb/s upload at my new apartment and it has showed tremendous change online for me.

http://www.speedtest.net" rel="nofollow">



Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:10am
Originally posted by FaZeD_U

i went from 3 mb/s upload to 33 mb/s upload at my new apartment and it has showed tremendous change online for me.

http://www.speedtest.net" rel="nofollow">


Holy crap! YEAH BUDDY! :P


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Posted By: FaZeD_U
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:55am
I know thats what im saying.


Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by FaZeD_U

I know thats what im saying.

Did you switch ISP's or just held a knife to your networking engineer saying:
GIVE ME FASTER INTERNET!!


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Intel i5-4960K 3.4GHz
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GeForce GTX970 4GB VRAM
Antec 1100 Tower Case
NZXT Sleeved Blue LED Kit 1M
2x 2TB Seagate HDD
2x 256GB Samsung SSD


Posted By: FaZeD_U
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:08pm
Nah just different apartment complex.


Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by FaZeD_U

Nah just different apartment complex.

Same provider, different apartment, better speed? Wait, whats going on here?


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Intel i5-4960K 3.4GHz
Crucial Sport 16GB 1866 RAM
GeForce GTX970 4GB VRAM
Antec 1100 Tower Case
NZXT Sleeved Blue LED Kit 1M
2x 2TB Seagate HDD
2x 256GB Samsung SSD


Posted By: FaZeD_U
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:12pm
Same provider, different apartment complex, higher speed I guess


Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:37pm
I think you threatened the network engineer Corey...

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Intel i5-4960K 3.4GHz
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GeForce GTX970 4GB VRAM
Antec 1100 Tower Case
NZXT Sleeved Blue LED Kit 1M
2x 2TB Seagate HDD
2x 256GB Samsung SSD


Posted By: Crypto-_-421
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 6:17pm
Just got service going!! @ 40/5!!!   Time to take her out for a test drive!! Will report later.

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Posted By: Crypto-_-421
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 9:16pm
I'm back and my system is running smoother then shakiras' as$!! But i have noticed i've been getting bounced out of psn lately. Still have internet when i get kicked off, so maybe a psn thing??? Anyone else getting kicked off???

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Posted By: lotus
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2012 at 2:04am

My internet speed results are :

upload speed:0.52 kbps
download speed:1.96 kbps

i check my internet speed from this site http://www.scanmyspeed.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.scanmyspeed.com/   , here it gives the best & accurate results for my internet speed test!!!!



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