The White House website has a link to some pretty good detail.

 

I'll add links to this post as I find them:

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34609984/ns/health-health_care/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34609984/ns/health-health_care/

 

 

In the next 10-20 years your taxes will go up masssivley to pay for it. (if not we'll end up like Greece, defaulting on our debt and at the mercy of another country to bail us out)

 

You'll be waiting in long lines to get basic health care.

 

EDIT:

Heres a great piece from the NYTimes on hows this will bankrupt the country:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html?src=me&ref=general - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html?src=me&ref=general

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it also hurts some of the needy, not everyone needs health insurance.. guess what now they do.. i went from age 15 or so to age 24 without one hospital visit, with no health insurance.. how the govt is telling people they have to have it. that they have to pay for it, and the people who already dont pay for anything, are going to be getting it for free.

 

its bad enough we extended unemployment benefits.. we have half a country that wants the other half to support them.

 

 

Obama promised transparency in his administration. This health bill was passed by back room deals and by bribing representatives with political favors.

55% of Americans are against this. Whatever happened to "For the people" ?

 

come on bain both parties do backroom deals and lies it's politics you have to have that, thats the only way things get moved in Washington d.c. .

 

now i don't really know that much about the bill but i would like to read the whole thing my self (yes i know it's like a thousand and some odd pages long) but i rather get it straight from the horse's mouth instead of listening to hear say from the radio  and others that would cloud my judgement about something i never really saw/read myself, cause that would  just be crazy. so if anyone can actually find the bill and post a link to it that would be cool.

 

now i just really hope that if this thing passes that it actually helps people and the government and doesn't really hurt us economically, and yes that just me speaking blind faith but it'll be blind ignorance to think differently.

Starting this year, children can remain on their parents insurance policy until age 26. Insurance premiums will have to rise to pay for this.

 

less than 5% of GDP goes to defense.

 

This country seems to think that the wealthy are evil somehow and they obtained their wealth on the backs of others.  While this may be the case in a very few exceptions, the reality is that it's simply not true.

 

Without the wealthy, there are no jobs.  Without jobs, there are no paychecks.  If you tax the wealthy out of existence. the result is a total collapse of the American economy.   Margaret Thatcher put it this way; "The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of the other guy's money".

 

Although I'm not an expert on the Constitution, I personally have a problem with the "Individual Mandate".  This is the part where the Government dictates that you WILL purchase a good or service from a private company or face fines.  If you don't pay the fines, you can go to jail.  Never in the history of this country has the Federal Government forced the citizens to participate in Commerce.  Nowhere in the Consitituion is this authority given to the Federal Government.  It is, however, a power reserved for the states.  For example, you state may force the purchase of auto insurance, but then again, driving is a choice.  Simply being alive is not.

 

I have a problem with the part of the law that give the IRS "real time access" to my bank accounts and financial records.  This section also authorizes the IRS to share my persnal tax and financial data with the Department of Health.  What happens when I am old and dying?  If I am in long term care, is there a trigger that allows the Government to sieze all of my assets to pay for the long term care similar to what happens in Canada?  Or is this an amendment ot the law that will come in the future?

 

Finally, what about the bald faced lie about the cost?  They took out the $230,000,000,000 "Doctor Fix" so the Bill would come in under 1,000,000,000,000 (that's trillion!).  The Dems are now working to pass the Doctor Fix as a separate matter.  What a sickening and disgusting joke.

 

I could rant about this for hours, but then I would be painted as an evil conservative who hates the poor, has no Christian values and doesn't ewant to see the "little people" get insurance.  All for having a different opinion regarding how this should have been handled.

 

Another small piece of America died this week-

As a % of our out put we spend a reasonable amount on Defence.

 

Our economy is massive and we need to protect our interests. The one job that the federal government is designed to do constitutionally is national defense.

 

 

(especially on their air force and Navy lately which are designed to PROJECT power not defend the borders)

 

The Chinese government has no problem rolling out their tanks over their own people, nor do they have a problem arming Sudan (who exports 80% of their energy output to china) to commit genocide in Darfur, or crushing protest in Tibet.

 

Our Defense budget is money well spent. Unfortunately, the reality is Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor, doubling down on a broken health care system. We will have NO CHOICE but to cut defense spending!

 

Guess what china will do? cut? I dont think so!

 

Guess Who owns most of our national debt? CHINA

 

Guess who we have to borrow money from to pay for Obama Care? CHINA

 

When the piper comes calling, and we have to pay our massive debt, we will cut our defense spending to pay our debts to a well armed China!

 

Congradulations!

 

 

Originally posted by Aquaknot Here's what bugs me...   This country seems to think that the wealthy are evil somehow and they obtained their wealth on the backs of others.  While this may be the case in a very few exceptions, the reality is that it's simply not true.   Without the wealthy, there are no jobs.  Without jobs, there are no paychecks.  If you tax the wealthy out of existence. the result is a total collapse of the American economy.   Margaret Thatcher put it this way; "The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of the other guy's money".   Although I'm not an expert on the Constitution, I personally have a problem with the "Individual Mandate".  This is the part where the Government dictates that you WILL purchase a good or service from a private company or face fines.  If you don't pay the fines, you can go to jail.  Never in the history of this country has the Federal Government forced the citizens to participate in Commerce.  Nowhere in the Consitituion is this authority given to the Federal Government.  It is, however, a power reserved for the states.  For example, you state may force the purchase of auto insurance, but then again, driving is a choice.  Simply being alive is not.   I have a problem with the part of the law that give the IRS "real time access" to my bank accounts and financial records.  This section also authorizes the IRS to share my persnal tax and financial data with the Department of Health.  What happens when I am old and dying?  If I am in long term care, is there a trigger that allows the Government to sieze all of my assets to pay for the long term care similar to what happens in Canada?  Or is this an amendment ot the law that will come in the future?   Finally, what about the bald faced lie about the cost?  They took out the $230,000,000,000 "Doctor Fix" so the Bill would come in under 1,000,000,000,000 (that's trillion!).  The Dems are now working to pass the Doctor Fix as a separate matter.  What a sickening and disgusting joke.   I could rant about this for hours, but then I would be painted as an evil conservative who hates the poor, has no Christian values and doesn't ewant to see the "little people" get insurance.  All for having a different opinion regarding how this should have been handled.   Another small piece of America died this week-

 

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Originally posted by Fluffy Fluffington Absolute dollars need to be put into context. As a % of our out put we spend a reasonable amount on Defence.   Our economy is massive and we need to protect our interests. The one job that the federal government is designed to do constitutionally is national defense.   Furthermore, our defense spending as a % of GDP and as a % of our budget has been in LONG TERM DOWNTREND sine WWII.   China, on the other hand, is growing their defense budget at a 20% clip !! (especially on their air force and Navy lately which are designed to PROJECT power not defend the borders)   The Chinese government has no problem rolling out their tanks over their own people, nor do they have a problem arming Sudan (who exports 80% of their energy output to china) to commit genocide in Darfur, or crushing protest in Tibet.   Our Defense budget is money well spent. Unfortunately, the reality is Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor, doubling down on a broken health care system. We will have NO CHOICE but to cut defense spending!   Guess what china will do? cut? I dont think so!   Guess Who owns most of our national debt? CHINA   Guess who we have to borrow money from to pay for Obama Care? CHINA   When the piper comes calling, and we have to pay our massive debt, we will cut our defense spending to pay our debts to a well armed China!   Congradulations!

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On Health Care,
Since the American Medical Association endorses it, it's fine with me.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/03/19/AMA-AARP-endorse-healthcare-plan/UPI-44481269027910/ - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/03/19/AMA-AARP-endorse-healthcare-plan/UPI-44481269027910/

Congressional budget office projects savings of ~138 billion tax dollars over the next 10 years. "The greatest deficit reduction since 1993," according to Rep. Hoyer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/18/health/policy/18health.html - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/18/health/policy/18health.html

 

The AMA - of course they endorsed this! it'll make doctors even richer 30m previously uninsured get

                 access to healthcare and line the doctors pocket  books!

 

My issue is not that I dont want people to have access to health care I DO! its the how!

and this legislation is as as fiscaly responsible as Tiger Woods in a waitress convention.

 

On the CBO- Use your common sense. this legislation will cost $1 trillion dollars and yet its supposed to save us $150 billion. yeah okay. Han I got a beautiful summer lake home in Siberia

I'd like to sell you. Call me. The CBO says it'll save you 100k on your future mortgage payments!! lol.

 

The budgetary gimmicks that went into the CBO's projections were galactically fradulent!

The CBO has to take the assumptions at face value that the proponents of the bill gave them

It reminds of of the way Greece got into the EU

 

They had to reduce their deficits to get EU membership, so they hired investment bankers to use derivatives and shift debt to future periods and artificially inflate revenue into current periods. Eventually it caught up with them and greece is defaulting on their government bonds.

 

That Greece (the founders of Western Civilization defaulted on Debt ...during the same time that  the modern standard bearer of Western Civilization, AMerica,  is doing the exact same thing is mind boggling! Its an Omen, wrapped in symbolism, doused with foreshadow!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feeding the PIG! lol.

 

At least we can debate and not swear at each other ... Incidentallly Cuba just endorsed

Obama Care:

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-leader-applauds-US-apf-124808403.html?x=0&.v=1 - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-leader-applauds-US-apf-124808403.html?x=0&.v=1

 

Sweet