^_^ Finally won a DM.
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Topic: ^_^ Finally won a DM.
Posted By: tocilazilla
Subject: ^_^ Finally won a DM.
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:03pm
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Won two deathmatches today, one at Rising Sun and the other at Deck, I believe. The Link Gun was my best weapon in both matches. At Rising Sun, I got 14 kills before I was killed. It was amazing. O_O All luck, of course. But yeah, it was awesome. Just listening to the announcer made it worth it. Double kill -> Multi kill -> Mega Kill -> Ultra Kill -> Raaaaampage. ^_^ Anyway, what's Duel mode all about? I've seen a lot of discussion about it. |
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Posted By: Buzzin Fr0g
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:14pm
Congratulations.  Duel is similar to deathmatch but with only two competitors. You and an opponent square off to a certain point limit.
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Posted By: tocilazilla
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:16pm
 Isn't that boring? |
Posted By: Buzzin Fr0g
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:20pm
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On larger maps I agree, but on tighter maps like Sentinel it's interesting to see how two peoples' play styles match up.
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:28pm
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Congrats, now move to duels. :P
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Posted By: Nova
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 9:31pm
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You are officially pro. Congrats. Would you like to sign with my pro team?
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Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:03am
It's about camping the shield belt, whining if someone picks up the udamage or redeemer and spawnkilling where-ever possible. ------------- |
Posted By: Dalsk
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:22am
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I played Duel for the first time yesterday and I sucked... big time! Funny, considering I'm not that bad à DM. ------------- But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. William Butler Yeats |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 7:42am
yeah the first time i played duel i was horrified how badly i did too, especially considering im not too bad at DM. if you're serious about getting better at duel try reading some of the guides remy has put in the tutorials section, they've helped me a lot, but even now i still get my a** kicked at duel. the top duellers really do play out of this world, watch some of the tourney footage and you'll see what i mean ------------- |
Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:10am
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[QUOTE=tocilazilla]Won two deathmatches today, one at Rising Sun and the other at Deck, I believe. The Link Gun was my best weapon in both matches. At Rising Sun, I got 14 kills before I was killed. It was amazing. O_O All luck, of course. But yeah, it was awesome. Just listening to the announcer made it worth it. Double kill -> Multi kill -> Mega Kill -> Ultra Kill -> Raaaaampage. ^_^ Anyway, what's Duel mode all about? I've seen a lot of discussion about it. [/QUOTE Well done. I always like to play DM and those two maps i often win on. I find it is best not to keep using rocket launcher all the time and use the other weapons for better accuracy. Link gun is pretty good to use as you obviously know now
 . It always feels great to get a rampage or better despite certain players trying to shoot me in the back all the time.As for duel, i agree with Drokun, i find it flawed because basically the person who controls the shield belt wins the game most of the time. But when the person who camps the shield belt doesn't have it, they're not so bloody good without it.
In my opinion the best duelers shouldn't even need the shield belt anyway. I know they wouldn't if they dueled against me. ------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:20am
No need to be a w**ker to him. ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:23am
Sorry but I was actually joking.. The shield belt is a core principle of duelling, without it it's a simple 2 player deathmatch. ------------- |
Posted By: valjohn
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:27am
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[QUOTE=Dalsk]I played Duel for the first time yesterday and I sucked... big time!
??? really ???  :-))))))------------- 
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Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:29am
I respect your opinion but i just annoys me that certain players have only beat me by camping the shield belt but when we play a map without the shield belt, i often beat them. ------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:29am
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i guess thats where some of the challenge lies though, getting the map control in the first place. i like the tactical aspect of dueling and without the health pick ups some of that would be removed. also on the larger maps like shangril la the shield belt and armour vest help to ensure the players run into each other rather than searching all match long. oh, and yeah the top players can definately win without the shield belt (well against no0bs like me anyway). kali won me 10 to 0 last night after you left on diesel and i got the belt ( read as: he let me get the belt  ) almost every time  we ought to have a no health pick ups duel later to prove my point, i bet you'll agree its much less fun.. ------------- |
Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:31am
Actually i'd think it be more fun because i prefer an fair fight with no one having a big advantage over the other. ------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:34am
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well you're on then mr thunder, we ought to host one tonight, i bet the top players are still the top players without all the poweups though ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:41am
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The belt and amor give players a reason to move around the map and not camp in a corner with flak/bio. They're definitely an advantage but you have to fight for that advantage as the other player wants it too. That's why powerups are located at more or less dangerous and open places, to give you a risk when taking it. If the enemy camps the belt you might as well get the vest and thighpads for 80 armor and attack him longrange before it spawns. If you don't gain map control you're basically telling him to get free armor and an advantage of over twice your health. On the ps3 version the belt spawns every 59.5 seconds, the udamage every 89.5 seconds and basically everything else every 29.5 seconds, all decent duellers know that. If someone spawnkills you it's often because you let him gain map control so he no longer has to worry about his health, and just chases after you. It is a fair fight, if they have map control you gave them the advantage. It doesn't matter what mode, timing powerups is important for duel, ctf, tdm etc. ------------- |
Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:42am
Yeah they probably will be but at least it be a fairer fight and i wouldn't mind losing under those circumstances.
I'd be up for it definately miss lucifer . Bring it on!!------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:48am
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@ Drokun - couldn't have put it better myself @ Carlo - host one tonight then and i'll join after the LaDy v TRU match, probably be about 10ish. ------------- |
Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:51am
Alright then i will.
When i play duel though, i don't care about strategy or whatever, i just play the game the way i want it. Thats why i win often on DM. ------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 10:00am
BUT duel is NOT dm. ive said before that you're a way better fragger than me, the only reason i win you somtimes is because i get the belt and armour. but thats the point of duel, to try and get all the advantages you can in order to kill your opponent. you're the only dueller i know that doesn't play with a clock. you have the potential to be really good at duel imo if you strategise and start timing the pick ups. yeah you can play duel the way you want it and thats cool, so long as you dont mind losing. if you really want to get better then you have to adapt the way you play the game to the mode ------------- |
Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 10:04am
BUT duel is NOT dm. ive said before that you're a way better fragger than me, the only reason i win you somtimes is because i get the belt and armour. but thats the point of duel, to try and get all the advantages you can in order to kill your opponent. you're the only dueller i know that doesn't play with a clock. you have the potential to be really good at duel imo if you strategise and start timing the pick ups. yeah you can play duel the way you want it and thats cool, so long as you dont mind losing. if you really want to get better then you have to adapt the way you play the game to the mode [/QUOT
Its nice of you to say i could be really good at duel but trust me, donkeys will rule the world before i get good at duel. I don't mind losing at duel to good players, also because i lose 90 per cent of the time anyway.  ------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Cruel IntentionZ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 10:12am
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i lose 90% of the time at duel too, but i know that one day if i put in enough effort i can be good and so can you. just have a little more self belief at the same time though, ut3 is just a game so if you dont enjoy duelling don't play it. not every mode is for everybody ------------- |
Posted By: SRC_ROLLTIDE
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 11:07pm
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good to see more new people are finding this game
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Posted By: AK-47_Zero1256k
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2009 at 2:14am
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Yea, is great to see more people, but maybe will help if the DM server allow less player, i say: Server settings and rules: Playeres: up to 8 Frags: 30 Maps: Standards (well maybe one or two custom maps :p) That will be great :P becouse the server is more controlled and the server deathmatch will not end at the 3 minutes well, maybe 5 :p is just my opinion chears ------------- What, the hellbender is a sh¡t? I´ll make you think twice about it |
Posted By: tocilazilla
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 4:55pm
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Nice to see a lot of familiar names. I've played deathmatches with a lot of you. Good games last night, AK 47. In any case, I played one duel and it was really boring. I won't be playing those much. It was at Shangri La but I don't see it becoming any more fun on smaller maps. |
Posted By: WOPR-1
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 5:06pm
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Don't give up on duel it really is addicting and great fun once you get the hang of it....and to get the hang of it you have to play it and lose a lot...But after a while you'll notice you are getting more kills than you used to...and even starting to beat some people. It's funny reading some of the comments in here about belt camping and wanting to play with no belt because that's exactly the same thing I used to say before I played duel a lot. It really is necessary to play with the belt...if you didn't then it becomes all about the body armor...if you take that out then it's all about vials/thigh pads/helmet...it would just change the object of focus...nothing more. ------------- None of you seem to understand...I'm not locked in here with you, YOU'RE locked in here with ME!!--Rorschach |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 5:40pm
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Posted By: XKaL1buR
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 5:43pm
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Turkey sandwich with ranch dressing and bacon bits you hobags ------------- |
Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 5:45pm
Yo WOPR! I was so looking forward to finishing that duel lst night, I actually got 2 (extremely Lucky frags) then got kicked off. Came back on immediately on Shangri_la and waited for you.
One of my Frags was so Cheesy, I knocked you off the MAP LOL!
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Posted By: INCReMENTAL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:13pm
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I'm glad to see a new player getting the ropes down. I so remember when I got this game, started playing and that was my goal to win my first DM, after that it justs gets better from there.
I believe what you are hearing about the duel mode is correct in ways that some have said it. That mode can be extremely hard, I personally say before u hit dueling stay in DM and TDM, win more games, become a better fragger then you are now to the point your confident. Then hit the duel rooms. I honestly played this game about 8 months before I hit the duel room and my fragging abilities were there, just not the playing style u have to learn by just dueling. If you start dueling with to much to learn still then you'll probably just give up, the duel mode aint going anywhere. Take your time until your confident to go in there. Even play offline in duels every now and then on duel maps that is and try beating the bots and keep raising the difficulty. Yeah they r bots but they still help and u dnt get so down on yourself when a bot kicks your a**. Your still playing a better player so you will continue to get better. I use to have trouble with godlike bots after I started learing how to duel, nowadays its cake tho. To be able to beat a great your gonna have to manhandle the best bots in the game. For example later sometime go in ur fav map as a duel map like Deck, play a godlike bot and see how u fair out, after the outcome you'll see that us greats can beat these bots down which will show u just what's in store for you if you attempt this mode. The answer to being great is to play, play, and play, never quit playing just play. This game awards u on playing time like no other. Anyways as far as DM to some of u that go on about dueling, to me I play DM like dueling. I usually still time the belts, armors and UD like its going out of style. And guys this is my opinion for anyone that wants to start dueling cause I know how it is, we can all tell him/her that we will teach them how to get better but let's don't fool ourselves, most of the time it doesn't happen. I just don't wanna see someone hit the duel rooms to early, get no help and discouraged of it and leave the mode and never return. It happens more then you thank if not leave the game period. If you need any help in the future add me to your PSN. Its my name on the forum. I'd be glad to help in anyway. |
Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:26pm
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I think Dueling is cool as $hit and your advice about DM TDM is spot on.
One thing though ... after getting beat 10-0, 10-0, and 10-(-1) in a row by the elites it gets a bit demoralizing.
It would be nice to have ladders with players closer to your level. An elite ladder, intermediate, and beginner ladder.
Have some good matches, that make you want to play more. Once you start beating your peers move yourself up. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:32pm
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It's probably best to keep on finding people a bit better than you and keep playing those (where you get scores like 10 - 4 a lot). If you split up a ladder in 3 parts you decrease activity even more.. Not enough people playing for that. ------------- |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:33pm
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Also splitting up the ladders will just make the better better and the worst worse imo....
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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:35pm
Actually I think youd find more more people trying duel if there was a beginner ladder.
They wouldnt feel so intimidated.
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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:42pm
I disagree. Professional sports like baseball have a minor League sysytem so that they can get prospects trained before being "called up to the BIG LEAGUES" as the saying goes.
The NFL and NBA have a college system for that.
The intermediate ladder would be a stepping stone to work on your skills and eventually move up.
As I said it takes place in sports all the time! MLB is a cla**ic example with the farm system.
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Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:46pm
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Posted By: CarloThunder
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:46pm
Couldn't agree more about it demoralizing. Today i played 5 duels in succession and lost all them without getting a single frag. Got killed about 30 times in total .------------- all roun nice guy lol. |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 6:51pm
Playing good people = good practice. Restricting bad players to only playing bad players means they will improve, but slowly. Today I duelled and won about 3 matches out of the 15, can't wait to try again tomorrow. ------------- |
Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 7:11pm
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I completely agree that you only get better if you play and learn from those better than you. I cannot argue with that. you are not learning if you are not getting beat. I agree. However, its a question of degree. For example in an intermediate ladder, not everyone will be equal. There will some players better than others. The less skilled players will get beat and will eventually get better. The more skilled intermediate players overtime will graduate and start playing in the elite ladder. at first they'll get beat but they will also get better. I don't see why Physicality has anything to do with it. In baseball, for example, pro players that are having a rough spell get sent to the minor leagues and many of them get called back to the majors after they work on their weakness, be it hitting or defense. Also many pro teams will recruit from colleges but they play in the minor league system before they are ready for the pros. Drokun, true you may have lost all those matches but I bet you the losses were almost all very competitive. not 10-0, 15 times each time! ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 7:13pm
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Last 3 matches I had negative scores
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Posted By: WOPR-1
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 9:39pm
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I'd have to agree with Remy that splitting the ladders would only make the better people better and the worse ones worse. If all you play is intermediate players you'll never get any better so the theory that intermediate will lead to elite doesn't hold water. All it would do is increase the gap in skill unfortunately. One thing that they do on the PC duel ladders is that at the end of the season when they have the tourney instead of a single tourney they break it up into smaller chunks...like 1-8 is the A bracket 9-16 is the B bracket etc. This way more people get to be involved in a tourney with people at their level. That I think would work out very well. Would that be a good middle ground? @ Fluffy - lol yeah totally man that was crazy...knocked my butt right off that ledge by the belt..LOL!! I got kicked off PSN about a minute after you so I think maybe they were doin something....but yeah we'll have to hook up again and finish that one! ------------- None of you seem to understand...I'm not locked in here with you, YOU'RE locked in here with ME!!--Rorschach |