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Topic: Greatest Heavyweight Boxer Ever?
Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Subject: Greatest Heavyweight Boxer Ever?
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 1:56pm
Just throwing out the biggest names out here, to me Ali, George & Mike are my favorites with Ali as the greatest!

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Posted By: N0SF3RATU
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 5:26am
rocky beats them all , even when he's 60 Tongue


Posted By: Ninja_Monkey
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 8:44am
I would've substitute Patterson for Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey should probably be on the list too. I voted for Ali by the way.


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Posted By: Ninja_Monkey
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 8:50am
Sorry I should of said, substitute Jack Johnson for Patterson.

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Posted By: M-Rox
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 10:56am
Jack Dempsey

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Posted By: Greeny
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 11:24am
David hay!! nah i voted for ali

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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 11:55am

cant have Rock w/out Ivan Drago



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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 12:08pm
ALI, enough said.

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 12:17pm

why isn't Lennox Lewis on this poll??? he won the heavyweight championship 3 times and beat every single opponent he faced including Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson. 



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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 12:18pm
to be honest, i think Tyson would have whooped Ali's ass.

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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by TuNA FISh

to be honest, i think Tyson would have whooped Ali's ass.
 
It's hard to say... Because Ali missed 3 precious years of his prime because his boxing license was suspended until the court had reached an decision for him declining the military service in that time..
 
Ali has beaten the greatest names out there, sonny liston, george foreman, joe frazier etc. etc.
Even tho I love Mike Tyson, I really think Ali could beat anyone he wanted to even if both fighters would face each other in their prime.


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:35pm

Ali was good, but it was a completely different time. i think Tyson would have beat the sh!t out of Ali if they both fought each other in their prime.



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Posted By: puertoRICAN
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:49pm
If Manny Pacquiao were 2 move up to Heavyweight for whatever reason, he would so dominate the competition!! lmao.
Dude is a fu cking beast tho. 


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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 3:09pm
glass Joe

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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 8:45pm
Soda Popinski

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 7:14am
Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Ali was good, but it was a completely different time. i think Tyson would have beat the sh!t out of Ali if they both fought each other in their prime.

Tuna u cannot b serious. Ali was the best imo but its difficult to judge because of the era and rules. Remember tho Ali fought and beat bigger, stronger guys just like iron mike. Cept in Ali's time the top 10 was meaningful, most of the boxers at the time have made it into Boxing's Hall of Fame. And considering that there were only 2 organisations, less weight classifications, less science/tech about training and diet and longer bouts (15 rounds) I would say Ali's achievements outweigh those of Tyson's. 
Ali, in his prime, always found a way. Actually like Venom said his prime years were spent in suspension due to 'tax evasion' or draught dodging. tyson was a great if limited fighter.


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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 9:00am
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Ali was good, but it was a completely different time. i think Tyson would have beat the sh!t out of Ali if they both fought each other in their prime.

Tuna u cannot b serious. Ali was the best imo but its difficult to judge because of the era and rules. Remember tho Ali fought and beat bigger, stronger guys just like iron mike. Cept in Ali's time the top 10 was meaningful, most of the boxers at the time have made it into Boxing's Hall of Fame. And considering that there were only 2 organisations, less weight classifications, less science/tech about training and diet and longer bouts (15 rounds) I would say Ali's achievements outweigh those of Tyson's. 
Ali, in his prime, always found a way. Actually like Venom said his prime years were spent in suspension due to 'tax evasion' or draught dodging. tyson was a great if limited fighter.
 
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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 9:01am
and who keeps voting for rocky balboa, that was a joke, don't actually vote on it xD
I might as well put Hulk Hogan in there then.


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Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:21pm
tyson cause he'll bite ur F*CKN ear off thats pimp & that tiny voice

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Supreme_Venom

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Ali was good, but it was a completely different time. i think Tyson would have beat the sh!t out of Ali if they both fought each other in their prime.

Tuna u cannot b serious. Ali was the best imo but its difficult to judge because of the era and rules. Remember tho Ali fought and beat bigger, stronger guys just like iron mike. Cept in Ali's time the top 10 was meaningful, most of the boxers at the time have made it into Boxing's Hall of Fame. And considering that there were only 2 organisations, less weight classifications, less science/tech about training and diet and longer bouts (15 rounds) I would say Ali's achievements outweigh those of Tyson's. 
Ali, in his prime, always found a way. Actually like Venom said his prime years were spent in suspension due to 'tax evasion' or draught dodging. tyson was a great if limited fighter.
 
omg! you understand me <3
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Ali was good, but it was a completely different time. i think Tyson would have beat the sh!t out of Ali if they both fought each other in their prime.

Tuna u cannot b serious. Ali was the best imo but its difficult to judge because of the era and rules. Remember tho Ali fought and beat bigger, stronger guys just like iron mike. Cept in Ali's time the top 10 was meaningful, most of the boxers at the time have made it into Boxing's Hall of Fame. And considering that there were only 2 organisations, less weight classifications, less science/tech about training and diet and longer bouts (15 rounds) I would say Ali's achievements outweigh those of Tyson's. 
Ali, in his prime, always found a way. Actually like Venom said his prime years were spent in suspension due to 'tax evasion' or draught dodging. tyson was a great if limited fighter.
lol i doubt it. most of tyson's prime was spent in prison btw. if tyson would have never gone to prison for 4 years who knows what would have happened.
 
it's funny that you say that 30-50 years ago there were way better boxers than mike tyson. there is an interview were Ali says that Mike Tyson was the greatest boxer who ever lived. he even said he was scared of him lol. you can watch it on YOUTUBE
 
while you're at it, watch the dozens of matches were tyson knocked the sh it out of the best boxers in the world when he was only 19-20 years old. that's the tyson i'm talking about. not the tyson who was washed up and trying to get back in the game when he bit that guys ear.
 
Ali was good, but he is definitely not the greatest boxer who ever lived. top ten probably, maybe even top 5.


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:46pm

Lennox Lewis was a bad ass too. he's not on the poll though :(



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Posted By: Do_Or_Die_420
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:53pm
Tyson in his prime would Destroy just about anybody you put infront of him..


Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:40pm
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Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:42pm
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Heard ears taste like chicken.
 
You should try em dipped in Sweet & Sour sauce.


Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by Do_Or_Die_420

Tyson in his prime would Destroy just about anybody you put infront of him..
ppl like Berbick, Spinks and Tyrell Biggs? They hardly measure up to Foreman, Frazier and Holmes. Tyson was a sweet fighter dont get me wrong. Great hand speed and agility, he had a tight defence that allowed him to get up close and was able to deliver brutal hooks and upper cuts with great precision. He was fearless, hit him and he grinned a real psycho, old skool style dress and mentality that seem to beat opponents before he threw a punch - he was 'truly awesome'. But he fought in an era when the division was in decline.
Ali might have said that about Tyson but believe me if they ever met he would have said the opposite. His words would have beaten Tyson, who wasn't equipped to handle a smart boxer. His talent, style and adaptability in the ring (something Tyson never had, he was well drilled) makes him a clear winner imo. Come on, most ppl only remember James Buster Douglas and Holyfield as fighters on Tysons record. A fight with a heavyweight of true quality, like Ridd*** Bowe would have stretched him.


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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 6:43am
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by Do_Or_Die_420

Tyson in his prime would Destroy just about anybody you put infront of him..
ppl like Berbick, Spinks and Tyrell Biggs? They hardly measure up to Foreman, Frazier and Holmes. Tyson was a sweet fighter dont get me wrong. Great hand speed and agility, he had a tight defence that allowed him to get up close and was able to deliver brutal hooks and upper cuts with great precision. He was fearless, hit him and he grinned a real psycho, old skool style dress and mentality that seem to beat opponents before he threw a punch - he was 'truly awesome'. But he fought in an era when the division was in decline.
Ali might have said that about Tyson but believe me if they ever met he would have said the opposite. His words would have beaten Tyson, who wasn't equipped to handle a smart boxer. His talent, style and adaptability in the ring (something Tyson never had, he was well drilled) makes him a clear winner imo. Come on, most ppl only remember James Buster Douglas and Holyfield as fighters on Tysons record. A fight with a heavyweight of true quality, like Ridd*** Bowe would have stretched him.
 
You should do politics or something.. You would get my vote!
 
And yah about that interview.. they were just messing around.. they were both being modest.
 
I have to say it's a shame tho about tyson, because I'm a big fan of him as well. After his trainer died, things went bad for him, you could clearly see the lust, the "eye of the tiger" if you will, drained from him.
 
If you watch Ali the movie or When We Were Kings, you understand why Ali is the greatest.


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 7:14am
Originally posted by Supreme_Venom

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Originally posted by Do_Or_Die_420

Tyson in his prime would Destroy just about anybody you put infront of him..
ppl like Berbick, Spinks and Tyrell Biggs? They hardly measure up to Foreman, Frazier and Holmes. Tyson was a sweet fighter dont get me wrong. Great hand speed and agility, he had a tight defence that allowed him to get up close and was able to deliver brutal hooks and upper cuts with great precision. He was fearless, hit him and he grinned a real psycho, old skool style dress and mentality that seem to beat opponents before he threw a punch - he was 'truly awesome'. But he fought in an era when the division was in decline.
Ali might have said that about Tyson but believe me if they ever met he would have said the opposite. His words would have beaten Tyson, who wasn't equipped to handle a smart boxer. His talent, style and adaptability in the ring (something Tyson never had, he was well drilled) makes him a clear winner imo. Come on, most ppl only remember James Buster Douglas and Holyfield as fighters on Tysons record. A fight with a heavyweight of true quality, like Ridd*** Bowe would have stretched him.
 
You should do politics or something.. You would get my vote!
 
And yah about that interview.. they were just messing around.. they were both being modest.
 
I have to say it's a shame tho about tyson, because I'm a big fan of him as well. After his trainer died, things went bad for him, you could clearly see the lust, the "eye of the tiger" if you will, drained from him.
 
If you watch Ali the movie or When We Were Kings, you understand why Ali is the greatest.
Lol...tnx mate, I'm very political but no radical in real life 2. I am a fan of Tyson too, no denying Iron Mike's pure boxing talents. Cus D'amato (chk spelling) did a lot for him and when he died Tyson couldn't be controlled BUT he was naive and many people manipulated him. He was fearless and had a raw aggression that other fighters could smell. Tyson I suspect would have fought for nothing but glory and violence. The career fighters he met were in it for money mainly. 
If you watch Ali's fights and analyse his career post 60s u see hungry men like Tyson - generally hard cases. Below these guys were seasoned vets like Ernie Shavers, a young Larry Holmes and Leon Spinks. Tyson wouldnt have been out of his depth with them but would he beat Holmes or Foreman? I doubt it. great but limited, easily frustrated, ill-disciplined thats Tyson. Ali? say what u like but he was smart, courageous, adaptable and immensely talented - he always had a plan.
Im glad 2 see so many boxing fans here tho. You should do Manny vs Mayweather next! Or greatest middle weight of all - but dont ask me Confused


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 3:33pm
lol Ali is overrated... Tyson would have knocked him out quick. you can't compare boxers who boxed over 40 years ago to Tyson... plus, i don't see any boxers being as "hungry" as Tyson.

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 3:35pm
What!!! No Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis and Riddi c k Bowe!? These three boxers deserve to be in that poll.

As for the best Heavyweight fighter of all-time, it hard to choose. Muhammad Ali had speed & ring smart. He also fought very competitive foes in his career (Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, etc). Rocky Marciano was the first Heavyweight fighter ever to go 49 -0, yet his opponents wasn't a real challenge. Mike Tyson was the youngest Heavyweight fighter to earn a title belt at age 20 due to knocking his opponents out in round 1 - 4. His speed, agility & power was like no other. If you look at his KO's percentage, he have the best one (44 out of 50 KO's). Also, he had good opponents (the only one I can think of is Holyfield). Joe Louis was is the only fighter (so far) to defend 25 title fights. The man work very hard and took boxing real serious.

From my opinion, it's either Mike Tyson or Joe Louis. Im sorry but Muhammad Ali isn't the Greatest of All Time.

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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 4:47pm
Just watch Ali movie and When We Were Kings, everything will become clear to you ;)

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 4:54pm
i watched about 40 minutes of Ali a few months ago and hated it.. i'll look into it again though

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Posted By: Nova
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 9:39pm
You guys have to rethink.

Muhammad Ali played as a very smart fighter.  He wore out the fighters he was against, and then knocked them out.

I do think Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson would be the fight for the ages, though.


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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 6:07am
Originally posted by Nova

You guys have to rethink.Muhammad Ali played as a very smart fighter.  He wore out the fighters he was against, and then knocked them out.I do think Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson would be the fight for the ages, though.


Yah and plus, I have never seen any other fighter being able to take that many hits and keep going and still have strenght and agility to knock his opponent out.

The fights vs. George Foreman and Joe Frazier are prime examples of that.

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Posted By: misfit44
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 11:45pm
mike tyson was probability the best there was.
but everyone my dad's and grand father's age like
Jack dempsey because he use 2 box where i'm from
here is a mural on the building here where he used 2 fight at.














Posted By: M-Rox
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by misfit44

mike tyson was probability the best there was.but everyone my dad's and grand father's age likeJack dempsey because he use 2 box where i'm fromhere is a mural on the building here where he used 2 fight at.<h1 id="firsting" ="firsting"></h1>
Read a bio on Dempsey. He was awesome.

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 3:42pm
Just who did Iron Mike actually beat? When it counted he didnt have the mental resolve to stay the course. Any of my top 10 could have beaten him. 
  1. Muhammad Ali
  2. Joe Louis
  3. Larry Holmes
  4. George Foreman
  5. Rocky Marciano
  6. Mike Tyson
  7. Lennox Lewis
  8. Floyd Patterson
  9. Joe Fraizer
  10. Jack Johnson
Yes Tyson was not as hungry when he returned to boxing but that didnt seem to be a problem for Ali, Louis, Marciano, Patterson or Lewis. Marciano would have chewed Tyson up, Louis would have been too skillful for him, Holmes too. Ali too smart, Lewis too cute and too much reach. Foreman too powerful, Patterson would have known what was coming after all Cus D'mato was his manager too so no walk over there. Fraizer would have been made for Tyson but he had a bull's heart. Johnson might have upset Tyson with his style and natural height/reach advantage. C'mon guys clear your heads, its smelling salts time!


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:43pm

i would say that mike and ali are in the top 5.. and i still think Mike would have knocked Ali out.. if you want to know who Tyson beat, go to his wiki page. there is a whole list of them there.

i still think Lennox Lewis should be ranked higher!
 
 


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:47pm
lol at foreman being too powerful. tyson would have knocked his grill ass out too. i'm not even going to comment on the others.
edit: you can't really say anything about someone having more "reach" or "height" than mike tyson since he was knocking people out who were way taller than him.

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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Just who did Iron Mike actually beat? When it counted he didnt have the mental resolve to stay the course. Any of my top 10 could have beaten him. 
  1. Muhammad Ali
  2. Joe Louis
  3. Larry Holmes
  4. George Foreman
  5. Rocky Marciano
  6. Mike Tyson
  7. Lennox Lewis
  8. Floyd Patterson
  9. Joe Fraizer
  10. Jack Johnson
Yes Tyson was not as hungry when he returned to boxing but that didnt seem to be a problem for Ali, Louis, Marciano, Patterson or Lewis. Marciano would have chewed Tyson up, Louis would have been too skillful for him, Holmes too. Ali too smart, Lewis too cute and too much reach. Foreman too powerful, Patterson would have known what was coming after all Cus D'mato was his manager too so no walk over there. Fraizer would have been made for Tyson but he had a bull's heart. Johnson might have upset Tyson with his style and natural height/reach advantage. C'mon guys clear your heads, its smelling salts time!
 
I love it when you talk dirty and tell it how it is!
 
Ali quote;
 
"You know I’m bad.
just last week, I murdered a rock,
Injured a stone, Hospitalized a brick.
I’m so mean, I make medicine sick."
 
But my top 3 will remain as 1. Ali 2. Foreman 3. Mikey. Because those 3 had the most impact on me with their fights.
 
The fight in africa was pure epic... the fight looked like a movie. And the way he knocked Foreman down was beautiful. He could have thrown another few punches to make sure he stayd down, but in that glorifying moment he just kept looking him in the eyes while he spiraled down to the floor.
 
Also I can see why people would vote for Mike Tyson, Al these great fighters like Ali, Foreman, Joe etc. etc. were champions and had their glory way before most of us were even born.
 
Most of us witnessed Tysons glory in our childhood times when we were alive.
 
I used to think Tyson was the best to, until my friend showed me what fighters like Ali did and the evidence is overwhelming, to deny that Ali is the greatest is pretty gay.. he predicted the round you went down.
 
Ow and btw, George Foreman destroyed punching bags with gloves + the ones that didn´t got destroyed he left a crater in as the size of half a watermelon.
 
Now how's that for power?
 
And Ali was able to take all those power hits from Foreman in his prime while Ali was way over his.
 
I can guarantee that Ali & George Foreman Grill would beat Tyson. I would put all my money on it.


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Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 7:04pm

no butterbean Cry that dude was the ****



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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by Zellot

<FONT style=": #000000">no butterbean Cry that dude was the ****



That fat mutha f*cka! Naw Z! You got it twisted homie. Lol. jk

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 6:00am
Originally posted by Supreme_Venom

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Just who did Iron Mike actually beat? When it counted he didnt have the mental resolve to stay the course. Any of my top 10 could have beaten him. 
  1. Muhammad Ali
  2. Joe Louis
  3. Larry Holmes
  4. George Foreman
  5. Rocky Marciano
  6. Mike Tyson
  7. Lennox Lewis
  8. Floyd Patterson
  9. Joe Fraizer
  10. Jack Johnson
Yes Tyson was not as hungry when he returned to boxing but that didnt seem to be a problem for Ali, Louis, Marciano, Patterson or Lewis. Marciano would have chewed Tyson up, Louis would have been too skillful for him, Holmes too. Ali too smart, Lewis too cute and too much reach. Foreman too powerful, Patterson would have known what was coming after all Cus D'mato was his manager too so no walk over there. Fraizer would have been made for Tyson but he had a bull's heart. Johnson might have upset Tyson with his style and natural height/reach advantage. C'mon guys clear your heads, its smelling salts time!
 
I love it when you talk dirty and tell it how it is!
 
Ali quote;
 
"You know I’m bad.
just last week, I murdered a rock,
Injured a stone, Hospitalized a brick.
I’m so mean, I make medicine sick."
 
But my top 3 will remain as 1. Ali 2. Foreman 3. Mikey. Because those 3 had the most impact on me with their fights.
 
The fight in africa was pure epic... the fight looked like a movie. And the way he knocked Foreman down was beautiful. He could have thrown another few punches to make sure he stayd down, but in that glorifying moment he just kept looking him in the eyes while he spiraled down to the floor.
 
Also I can see why people would vote for Mike Tyson, Al these great fighters like Ali, Foreman, Joe etc. etc. were champions and had their glory way before most of us were even born.
 
Most of us witnessed Tysons glory in our childhood times when we were alive.
 
I used to think Tyson was the best to, until my friend showed me what fighters like Ali did and the evidence is overwhelming, to deny that Ali is the greatest is pretty gay.. he predicted the round you went down.
 
Ow and btw, George Foreman destroyed punching bags with gloves + the ones that didn´t got destroyed he left a crater in as the size of half a watermelon.
 
Now how's that for power?
 
And Ali was able to take all those power hits from Foreman in his prime while Ali was way over his.
 
I can guarantee that Ali & George Foreman Grill would beat Tyson. I would put all my money on it.
lol okay, no getting through to you guys.. pretty cliche to say that Ali is the best fighter in the world.. i get tired of hearing that sh!t. i think you guys are underestimating mike. i'm not trying to say he is the best fighter who ever lived, i'm just saying that he would have knocked Ali and foreman out.

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Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 11:21am
It's not a clixhe if its true, I looked fairly to both mikey and ali in a neutral way, and I concluded that Ali is better. Sure even I think Mike Tyson has definitely a good chance of knocking ali and foreman down, but the odds are much greater that mikey would be the one going down.

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Posted By: Ninja_Monkey
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:27pm
Ali had the highest caliber of competition in the history of heavyweight boxing. Tyson had mostly low caliber competition. Ali was way too skillful and savvy to lose to a dope like Tyson. Heck, even Evander Holyfield put a beating on Tyson and we all know what Tyson had to resort to in that one.


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Posted By: aceoblivion
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:46pm
Ali all the way. Tyson was nothing. The only reason anyone votes for Tyson is because he's the only one that was around for you kids to remember.


Posted By: Supreme_Venom
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by Ninja_Monkey

Ali had the highest caliber of competition in the history of heavyweight boxing. Tyson had mostly low caliber competition. Ali was way too skillful and savvy to lose to a dope like Tyson. Heck, even Evander Holyfield put a beating on Tyson and we all know what Tyson had to resort to in that one.
 
Evander Holyfield is a fn beast. He reminds me of a black Sagat from Street Fighter with a mustache.
 
Originally posted by aceoblivion

Ali all the way. Tyson was nothing. The only reason anyone votes for Tyson is because he's the only one that was around for you kids to remember.
 
+1 Thumbs Up
 
But I wouldn't downgrade Tyson. Allot of people seem to either love him or hate him. You need to properly recognise his skills. He's an amazing fighter.. and if his trainer wouldn't have died I might say he could have won the fight vs. Holyfield.


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Posted By: aceoblivion
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:18pm
I'm not putting down Tysons skills, it's just he was a brawler, not a boxer. I've fought many people just like him in many a barroom brawl or organized street fights. Ali had the brain power to beat anyone put in front of him.


Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by aceoblivion

I'm not putting down Tysons skills, it's just he was a brawler, not a boxer. I've fought many people just like him in many a barroom brawl or organized street fights. Ali had the brain power to beat anyone put in front of him.
Well, not anymore.

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Posted By: aceoblivion
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by SP61gTSupra

Originally posted by aceoblivion

I'm not putting down Tysons skills, it's just he was a brawler, not a boxer. I've fought many people just like him in many a barroom brawl or organized street fights. Ali had the brain power to beat anyone put in front of him.
Well, not anymore.
Eat it whore!


Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:12am
Originally posted by aceoblivion

Ali all the way. Tyson was nothing. The only reason anyone votes for Tyson is because he's the only one that was around for you kids to remember.
you know nothing about boxing. that comment was dumb

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:13am
Originally posted by Ninja_Monkey

Ali had the highest caliber of competition in the history of heavyweight boxing. Tyson had mostly low caliber competition. Ali was way too skillful and savvy to lose to a dope like Tyson. Heck, even Evander Holyfield put a beating on Tyson and we all know what Tyson had to resort to in that one.
that was washed up tyson

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Posted By: Ninja_Monkey
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 2:45pm
Tyson also took a savage beating when he was in his prime from Buster Douglas, who was a nobody.

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:06pm
that was after he got out of jail. i know i seem like a broken record because i'm repeating myself but he was a better fighter before he went to prison. plus buster douglas fought the fight of his life and i give him props for that. every dog has his day, right? i'm not saying tyson is the best fighter of all time but he is definitely up there. he's the only fighter i wanted to vote for on this poll. i would have voted for lennox lewis but he's not on there.

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by Ninja_Monkey

Tyson also took a savage beating when he was in his prime from Buster Douglas, who was a nobody.


First of all, Tyson had a short week noticed when this fight ever occurred. If Tyson managed to trained at least 3 or 4 weeks, Buster Douglas would get his a ss beaten just like the other victims that Tyson punished.

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Posted By: F.u.k-shaker
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 4:40pm
Kimbo Slice.... looool..

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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2010 at 5:18pm
Lol forgot where this post was! Anyway looks like the winner by unanimous decision is Muhammad Ali. Thanks to the judges Venom, Ace, Ninja_monkey, Tuna and Onemanarmy! Scorecards read 118 - 110 -  and thats being generous to Iron Mike.
Great debate btw guyz!


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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 6:40pm
It's an official: In 2005, Louis was named the greatest heavyweight of all time by the International Boxing Research Organization, #cite_note-2 - [3] and was ranked number one on /wiki/Ring_Magazine - Ring Magazine 's list of 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time.
 
It is located the last sentence on the first paragraph.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 7:12pm
yeah but that's just an opinion lol. has anyone ever heard of ring magazine?

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

Lol forgot where this post was! Anyway looks like the winner by unanimous decision is Muhammad Ali. Thanks to the judges Venom, Ace, Ninja_monkey, Tuna and Onemanarmy! Scorecards read 118 - 110 -  and thats being generous to Iron Mike.
Great debate btw guyz!
HEY i don't agree with you! XD


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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by TuNA FISh

yeah but that's just an opinion lol. has anyone ever heard of ring magazine?
 
The ring magazine is a red/white/blue belt which describes as the real champion. Basically whoever has the ring magazine belt is the linear champion. No matter how many alphabet belts you got such as WBC, WBO, IBF, WBA, etc, your not the real champion without the ring magazine belt. Other boxers have title belts for being a top fighter and make career high paychecks, but ring magazine is the truth belt which overcome all belts. 


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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 9:54am
wait.. are you telling me no one is the real champion until they have a belt from some magazine?

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 10:36am
BUTTERBEAN

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 11:15am
Originally posted by TuNA FISh

wait.. are you telling me no one is the real champion until they have a belt from some magazine?


Not necessary. There are some weight divisions who doesn't have the ring mazagine. The ring mazagine is usually vacant. Now, there are real champions even though they don't have the ring mazagine. The top contenders or known as the best fighters in that division with WBC, WBO, WBA & IBF belts the real champs.

In the boxing industry, it's corrupted. There are too many belts. The main belt I know by far is ring mazagine. Like I said before, the ring mazagine shows that your the linear champion in that division. Since the ring mazagine isn't popular for some reason, they use alphabet belts to determine who the champion. It could be 4 champions in one division. Does that sound right? Not to me. Boxing needs to go back in their roots when there use to had one championship belt: Ring Mazagine.

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 12:02pm
yeah but everyone knows that the real champion will have all 4 belts.

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 12:19pm
That's true, but there's no reason to have four belts to be the real champion.

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 12:22pm

it makes it more competitive.. i like that there are 4 belts



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Posted By: Bally_Man
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 12:36pm
Ali no question! how can peeps put tyson over ali completely retarded= yeah tyson was a beast for a few years but name me more than 2 world class fighters he boxed in that period? if it was a street fight yeah tyson every time imo but boxing is a technical sport n tyson just had ferocious knockout power but even in his prime he couldn't hold punches n his so far from the best ever boxer its unreal!

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 12:39pm
tyson would beat your ass if he read that!

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Posted By: Nova
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 1:23pm
I'm the baddest man in the world.

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 3:58pm
BUTTERBEAN would knock out Ali or Tyson in a legit fight if they were all three in there prime!

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:06pm
tyson would rip him a new asshole

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:28pm
naw Tuna there's 2 fighters that everyone dodged Butterbean and Ernie Shaffer. Ernie Shaffer couldn't get a fight until he was an old man thats why you probably don't even know who he was. both of them had mad punching power. BUTTERBEAN was fat but he could fight! Rocky Marciano was undefeated his whole career but some say he never fought anyone great?

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:35pm
oh c'mon syzygy.. you don't actually believe that, do you? you really think that butterbean is one of the best boxers who ever lived? he mostly fought 4 round boxing matches lol. he fought out of alabama too

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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:46pm
tyson in his prime was the most feared boxer of all time.. greatest carrer of all time? no. but id rather fight anyone then him

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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:46pm
and butterbean shouldnt even be called a boxer.. george foreman would stomp a hole in his ass

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:48pm
i believe at his best he would knock those guys out yes! he could take a hell of a punch and no one could take his punches. same way with Shaffer. thats why no one fought them. Ernie Shaffer was in Ali's time and he couldn't get a fight with anyone Tuna 4 real. no one wanted to risk there career.

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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by Deadaim

and butterbean shouldnt even be called a boxer.. george foreman would stomp a hole in his ass
LMAO

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 5:01pm
yea its hard to be called a fighter when no one will fight you i guess?

just like what Big Country did to Kimbo Slice and everyone else in the ultimate fighter. who would of thought he could do that? it may sound rediculious that BUTTERBEAN could but he was really badazz.

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

naw Tuna there's 2 fighters that everyone dodged Butterbean and Ernie Shaffer. Ernie Shaffer couldn't get a fight until he was an old man thats why you probably don't even know who he was. both of them had mad punching power. BUTTERBEAN was fat but he could fight! Rocky Marciano was undefeated his whole career but some say he never fought anyone great?


The reason why I said Rocky Marciano never fought anyone great because Bert Sugar (The Boxing Historian) said it himself.

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 5:53pm
i didn't know you said it ive just heard it before. Marciano would take a hell of a beating then knock his opponent out. he hit there arms until they couldn't hold them up anymore then he would go for there head. he was one tough son of a biaaaatch.

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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:17am
Fedor would win, againt them, all.

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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 7:17pm
Greatest Ever: Muhammad Ali

Fight that I have always wanted to see: Mike Tyson Vs. Lennox Lewis in both their primes.


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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 8:28pm
much as I hate to say it I think Tyson would have won unless Lennox boxed him from behind his fearsome jab and tied him up. Tyson was a freak combining speed, power, craft and precision all channelled to perfection - and he was menacing too. When he beat Tyrell Biggs he could have finished him in the 2-3rd round but he smiled to the camera and said Biggs was screaming like a girl when he landed hooks to the body and he was enjoying himself!!! And I  would have paid to see Lewis Vs Ridd**k Bowe - a real grudge match with Bowe losing by TKO in the later rounds.
@Marciano -  he fought 2 greats Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles but yes both were long past their sell by dates. Like Tyson tho Rocky was fearless and punched like he had dynamite in his hands. He was also a dirty fighter - yea just like Iron Mike! He may not have been undefeated in any other era but imo he still would have been a champ - he was a force of nature.


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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

@Marciano -  he fought 2 greats Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles but yes both were long past their sell by dates. Like Tyson tho Rocky was fearless and punched like he had dynamite in his hands. He was also a dirty fighter - yea just like Iron Mike! He may not have been undefeated in any other era but imo he still would have been a champ - he was a force of nature.
 
Rocky Marciano fought Joe Louis at Joe's end of his career (his last fight). It's just like saying Larry Holmes beat Muhammad Ali end of Ali's career. Same thing as Joe Calzaghe fought Roy Jones Jr. end of Roy's career. Fighting people that already past their prime consider waste of my time. Usually, younger fighters always beat old fighters; Well, except for Bernard Hopkins.


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