Another shooting..
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Topic: Another shooting..
Posted By: JPINATOR
Subject: Another shooting..
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2012 at 11:58pm
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I'm not sure if this is a smart idea for a thread but I know most of you are aware of what happened today in Connecticut, everyone is quick to put the blame on something but I just wanted to know what you guys think of this whole thing. Is this going to be a new common thing now? Do we have to prepare 5yr olds lock down procedures in schools, malls.. movie theaters.. -------------  |
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Posted By: phhiLLN
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 2:44am
| Guns will never be banned. Given 300+ million people, there will be mentally insane people in the bunch. The sad truth is you just have to hope a disaster like this doesn't happen to you, your family, led alone again at all. As it nears 12-21, I fear that there will be more disasters. :( |
Posted By: ut3lve
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 7:27am
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americans dont like the smell of coffee ------------- success is not measured by what you have got its measured by the sacrifices you made to get there |
Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 10:34am
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banning guns is fkn retarded. they can't ban previously bought guns.. and all the crazy people already own guns.. and all the criminals don't give a f*** if they are banned. banning guns would only affect a law abiding citizen like myself.. that likes having glock 19s and sig m400's for home protection and target shooting. ------------- 
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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 10:57am
| a gun ban is in effect in Mexico. how's that working out? |
Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 11:56am
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Oh, what a coincidence, its America again. Fat Americans cant control their country. ------------- im tired. |
Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 12:09pm
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Posted By: phhiLLN
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 2:10pm
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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 2:12pm
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what a terrible tragedy! i pray for those family's... i can't imagine the grief those family's are going through... their going to need a lot of support from their community ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: Ether404
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 3:38pm
go f|_|ck yourself with a PS3 controller.
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 6:56pm
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Why does everyone jump to gun ban issues? Pray for the family's first and discuss solutions later you fvckin idiots. -------------  aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 11:54pm
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settle down seph, no one mentioned a gun ban.. lol don't know where you read that, unless you're saying that in general then uh yeah.. I agree. ------------- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 12:28am
Seriously??? Cuz uh....
Sick of "gun ban" being the first thing out of ppls mouths everytime a shooting happens. Ppl need to understand it wont solve sh1t and the more important thing out there is that 20 elementary students are not home with their parents tonight. Send prayers, not false solutions for the future. These arn't the "Fvcking idiots" i speak of though, i was talking about everyone else in america like most news crews. Prolly should word that better so i dont have an angry controller mob after my ass :S ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: phhiLLN
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 1:16am
| What the f***. Seph this thread wasn't an informative thread, meaning it wasn't to let everyone know what happened. This was more discussion-like, so no matter how tragic the topic, why wouldn't arguments be accepted. & JP asked a question in the first post, and I answered with my opinion, so did deadaim. |
Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 2:51am
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Westboro Baptist plans to picket -______- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 4:19am
I agree with you and Deadaim both. Just wish gun bans wasn't the first issue discussed ever time a shooting happens. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 8:38am
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What else would you want them to discuss? Everyone grieves the same, they get angry first.. and what do they point to first? Obviously gun control. It's always going to be discussed first, for both sides. No ones taking any rights from you NRA humpers, so settle down! ------------- |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 8:39am
I wouldn't be surprised if they did .............. ------------- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 1:07pm
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But why can't ppl saying something for the family's first? If he would have stabbed them would you be able to talk about the family's loss first then, or would it be about how steak knifes should be no more than 1 inch long? I'm not b****ing at philln or deadaim. I was talking about the media. I only quoted them to prove the word gun ban was mentioned in this thread. I was stating my opinion on media coverage of the shooting and how they make it more about what to do about guns then they do about honoring the deceased and heros that saved the children that could have lost there lives. You wanna talk about a gun ban? Its the dumbest thing ever. To many guns out there already. Taking gins from the innocent would only help the criminals that will get/have a gun already. Once again not attacking you Iamgaming folk, so u simmer down. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 3:39pm
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its ridiculous, everytime we have a widely publicised shooting, its never the right time to talk about ways to fix the problem. people always say 'oh we need to honor the families u shouldn't bring up gun control yet' etc but thats a load of crap. unless u were directly affected by this event, ur 'honoring the families' rarely sums up to anythn more thn going about ur regular day and even more likely tht unless someone mentions the shooting, u dont even give it a second thought. the families & friends are grieving regardless, and it already goes without saying that our sympathies go out to them, but if we aren't discussing how to fix the problem and doing something about it, then we are allowing this to happen all over again, we become part of the problem.
also something to consider, when Katrina hit the gulf, we didnt go around saying nows the time to honor the families and nothing else...no we took a look at why the levies failed, and how they could improve the defenses...the looked at what the problem was and they fixed it.  ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 4:34pm
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Lol can't fix stupid. I'm done with my opinion, you kids have fun ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 4:58pm
implying praying does any more than discussing guns bans they actually both do nothing ------------- |
Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 5:54pm
I think it will. I mean it would be easier in general to defend myself having someone attack me with a knife than a gun. The point is, the people of Colorado wouldve been less wounded if the person had a knife rather than a gun. Same theory applies to the school... BAN GUNS. FKIN SOME CRAZY ASS LIVES IN AMERICA ------------- im tired. |
Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 5:55pm
Sorry, we dont need jews on this website ------------- im tired. |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 5:58pm
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Wow guns aren't the problem. All of these shootings didn't occur until "they" took GOD out of your school systems. I used to pray every mornin in school until the 5th grade then someone decided it hurt someone else's feelings. Prayer does work.. End of discussion ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 7:01pm
You are stupid as fuck. ITS A GOOD THING COCAINE IS ILLEGAL CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT TOTALLY IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. ------------- |
Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 7:01pm
nope ------------- |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 7:39pm
Who is this guy? ------------- |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 7:47pm
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discussing how to make things better is a good thing... ignoring a problem doesn't help the problem... sending our prayers is a good thing... it shows we have compassion and that we care... sometimes a few kind words can make someone feel a little bit better... we joke with eachother on here about ut3 skill, but i don't think anyone on here is without compassion ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 8:41pm
Would you like me to TESTIFY brother pw1n!! You need faith. Next time a hurricane is headed your way ill send a prayer for you with it;) ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 8:45pm
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Prayer> I won a duel tourny due to it ;) |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 8:50pm
you can still pray in school, by law no one can tell u not to pray as long as it isnt disrupting the class, the only thing that was taken out was school led group prayer and if its reinstated thn prayers from all religions represented in the class rooms will hv to be performed which means everybody & their mother will b up in arms complaining they dont want their kids hearing other prayers etc. how did prayer work when unarmed students at Kent State were gunned down during a peaceful protest of the Vietnam War? they were shot for hoping to save human lives. why didnt prayer work in 1927 in Bath township of Michigan when the school was bombed & 45 people died? why didn't prayer work for decades in the HEAVILY religious south when black & white citizens including women & children were abused & lynched? dont get me wrong i applaud ur dedication to ur faith but what u said is just a blatant misinterpretation of reality ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 9:21pm
| Religion is the key word. Even to the untrained eye, we can see that the average American Christian contradicts the New Testament on a daily basis lol. |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 9:23pm
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prayer and helping eachother through hard times are good things TX... being there for eachother helps everyone ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 9:24pm
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I was just saying how it wasn't as common as a problem. Now it's once a month there's a school massacre, and it's a shame. But don't tell me that prayer doesn't work, when I know for myself that it does. I am blessed;) ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 9:36pm
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@syz...i know & i wasnt saying otherwise @Dr...the early decades of the 1900's were just as, if not more bloody thn the last few decades. BUT my point was that u specifically blamed the cause of all this on the removal of god from schools, when it is not. im not telling u prayer doesn't work at all, and its great that for u it does. im not debating religion here, just pointing out that ur thinking here is very flawed and not based in reality. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 9:44pm
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I've never said a prayer and I've never shot anyone. lol ignoring theres thousands of other things different in the world today than in the past that can influence a shooting besides taking prayers out of schools.
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Posted By: phhiLLN
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 11:33pm
| I dont agree in prayers, or praying for somebody else with do any good... But I think it's very important to have faith (however you interpret that) in yourself/others. |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 12:06am
It's whatever.  ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 10:18am
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:10am
Completely agree ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:56am
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I'm sorry, but in my opinion (!), that is just absolute bullsh.it, I actually laughed out loud when I read that Dr.D, no offense though :P Praying with the whole class, every morning, doesn't stop the average lunatic from shooting kids.. It never has done that before, it's absolutely stupid to think THAT'S the cause for it IMO. Hey, here in Germany, religion is kept out of school for a really long while now, no prayers, just voluntary religion classes (you have to choose between that, which is divided into catholic/protestant, or a sort of Philosophy/Ethics class).. guns are NOT easily allowed here...and our "massacre" rate is lower, even proportionally, considering the amount of citizens. The "right to bear arms" does make it easier, though it's not the cause. You wanna know why there's an progressive increase in these massacres ? Cause the more happen, the more people in desperate/extreme situations find out about them, some very few might think that's an option for their problem, might get "inspired".. making someone (who might not believe in God) pray every moring won't change sh.it about the nutheads going crazy :P
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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:58am
I haven't played with that sense of peace or focus in a long time. |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 3:17pm
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Dagon we grew up in a different time in history my friend. My country was founded on GOD. Yours wasn't. So my values differ from yours as well as most of the people on this site. ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 3:33pm
same level of self control can be instilled by good parenting - which is lacking these days ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: THE_KING_ETERNAL
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:13pm
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Didn't the dude have an assault rifle? No one should be allowed to purchase those type of weapons exceptthe military and police. Why would a regular person even need a weapon like that . ------------- 
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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:22pm
DrD, I get your point, and it is true, but that doesn't make the missing presence of God in schools, such as morning prayers, responsible for lunatics like this guy, that might have gone through some horrible things themselves, making them become what they ended as.. Everyone deserves a good and healthy childhood, but you can't stuff religion down peoples throat. I do agree that Faith gives any truely religious person a fairly constant level of self-control, yes I can imagine, but that doesn't mean that people who don't believe in God, don't have that same level ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:27pm
If you just keep your simple handguns legal, isn't that enough to "protect your family and your house" ? You don't need a weapon capable of killing hundres of persons within a few minutes to do that, I don't get it at all.. I know stricter laws wouldn't eliminate the problem, but it helps containing it at least.. ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:40pm
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Regular people need weapons, when they've become fed up with the BS/corruption of their gov't and decide to end it. See America 1770s and every other revolution that followed thereafter. |
Posted By: THE_KING_ETERNAL
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:50pm
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I agree regular people should have guns just not assault rifles. -------------
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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 5:23pm
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 5:50pm
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You won't ever hear of a genocide in america like what happened in Germany. Because we are armed and can defend ourselves. Some of you teenie bopper sheep need to shut the f*** up. You might be fine with having your protection guaranteed by your govt.. most sane ppl rely on themselves tho -------------
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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 6:57pm
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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 9:02pm
90% of the Native American population wiped out, millions of lives well into the 1800's & early 1900's hundreds of regularly occurring lynchings even into the 1960's illegal imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens in concentration camps during WW2 illegal detainment of people at Guantanamo subjected to unfathomable tortures when out of 779 people, only 3 have ever been convicted of an offense. just to name a few ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 7:29am
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 8:13am
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I love liberals and there straw man arguments.. really do you not have a single ounce of care about not being fake? the topic is american citizens gun control.. something many Americans don't want imposed on them.. and one of those big reasons is so they can't be mercilessly slaughtered and rounded up by the government... and you bring up the native Americans? One could say that is what the US govt did to them... I would agree and I would point out that most of the WARS happened in the 1600's before we even had a 2nd amendment.. Then you bring up Guantanamo.. which isn't even in the country.. please tell me how that is caused my Americans being allowed to own guns? It has nothing at all to do with it.. and it isn't a genocide, If anything its a crime of war. And furthermore you bring up the Japaneese Americans (roughly 60% of them were American citizens) that were rounded up in this country (oh and canada, a country with stricter gun laws) during war and put into internment camps.. this once again wasn't a genocide (especially considering that none of them were put to death, tho 10-20k died due to natural causes).. but it was not very well thought out reaction by our govt to an act of war by the japaneese. I really shouldn't of had to even respond to these far fetched examples of yours.. the next two portions of this post aren't mine.. but I think it explains gun control laws and my point pretty well: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends. SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! this isn't mine either, this shows how armed citizens can stop crimes that police simply wouldn't of been able to stop in time.: A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck. • A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun. • A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard. • A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter. • A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened. • A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns. • A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun. • At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon. 2500 times last year alone legal gun owners stopped violent crime when confronted with it long before any police assistance ... Okay those 2 examples I got from the internet.. now back to my own original post. and lastly.. The guns the killer used weren't even his.. they were stolen from his mother who used them responsibly and enjoyed using them..Stealing is illegal, drugs are illegal, but these things still happen.. All gun control would do is create a bigger market for criminal originizations to sell weapons. You liberals/socialist are so into making sure no one enjoys their lives to the fullest simply because you have no ambition to make anything out of your lives. I have no desire to live a piss poor life to stay on par with you sir.. I don't think the govt should be stripping us of any more rights.. if we are going to punish all people for a few peoples misuse of something we might a swell abolish all forms of socialist programs because they are all abused. But I've had many people tell me (and I agree) that you have to just deal with the people abusing the system because of the greater good of it helping those that actually do need it. I'd hate to be in my house staring down the barrel of a criminal with a gun and not have a gun to defend myself because someone else abusing one took that right away from me... Why is it none of you are trying to make abortion illegal? a million babies in America alone die every year to abortion.. 40-50 million globally... yet you will fight for that parent to have the choice to kill the baby or not.. and at the same time argue I can't have the choice to own a gun because 27 people died that I had nothing to do with?
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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 8:39am
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It doesn't have to be Genocide, it's about injustice Deadaim ? And I doubt anyone on here is talking about making it illegal to own a gun.. but cmon you just don't need semi or fullautomatic rifles to protect yourself and your loved ones.. "make sure no one enjoys their lives to the fullest" do you really need an assault rifle for yourself to do that ? Here, gun clubs (don't know the real word for it in english, where you go on a shooting range) are still easily allowed, you just need to keep the weapons locked in a closet in that building.. And people obviously don't see abortion as "killing babies", you know you can't just break it down to this..maybe it's your opinion but I disagree and many others do, too..
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 9:39am
penguin is my favorite iamgaming member of all time. -------------
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Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 9:41am
Agreed. Some of you ask why have assault weapons...A few quotes from the Founding Fathers and others: "A free people ought to be armed." "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense." "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians." "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." "The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." "A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace." "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms." "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." "The ultimate authority resides in the people alone." "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." "... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them." "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." " ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 9:42am
you'd be surprised.. many people want all guns banned.. and realistically very few guns aren't semi auto.. I personally feel to live my live to the fullest I have freedom.. and to me freedom entails being able to do something I enjoy without being stripped of it by others.. so yes I do need an AR to enjoy my life to the fullest.. Locked up guns at a shooting range wont offer me any home protection.. -------------
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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 12:11pm
+1 Nice post as well Deadaim. |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 12:58pm
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The actual problem, the reason for this thread.. it will never disappear or be solved by anything..but things will never get any better, more like things will get worse or stay as bad as now, if nothing is changed. Our stats here speak for themselves. And all because you need your assault rifles etc. ? I haven't seen one good argument of why these shouldn't be banned. I can understand that you want to stay armed, although I see it different, I can understand you there. But weapons, designed to kill hundres in just minutes ? No, especially not at this cost.. ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 1:13pm
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Yeah that's my question, whats the need to have assault rifles, unless you're a collector of course, just curious since I'm not a gun connoisseur. ------------- |
Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 2:09pm
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Why was the mom taking her mentally ill son out to the range (whether shooting or not) and exposing him to firearms? Poor judgement. Why were the firearms not locked up, especially with a mentally ill person living under the same roof? Poor judgement. There had to have been some tell-tale signs that this little f*cker was going off the deep end. These signs should've caused his mother to take extra precaution, which she obviously did not. It's possible that she did have her firearms under lock and key, and the son just stole the safe key, but I doubt that. Where did he get the bullet-proof vest? His mother or on his own? I'm not aware of state or federal restrictions on purchasing body armor. So many questions. So few answers... ------------- get fragged Misery Index - Heirs To Thievery |
Posted By: drdeath2point0
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 2:33pm
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Automatic weapons are illegal... But there are ways around that to get them. Or make them automatic yourself. And I you're that desperate just make your own rifle...ie the aa-12 built by a Reggie and sold to the military ------------- drdeath2point0 |
Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 3:14pm
Simply put JP, there is no need. I'm saying this and I have four (3 AR's and 1 AK). AR's and AK's are designed for war. Unless there is threat of war, there is no civilian need for these rifles. There was a 10 year Federal AWB that started under Clinton in 94', and Bush decided in 04' to let that ban expire. Over the last 8 years, millions of AR-15's and Ak-47's have been pumped out in the US economy. There was a massive buying panic in 08' (once Obama won), and this year three separate times (Obama's reelection, after Colorado, right now). The current panic will not stop until new legislation has been brought forth. The AR-15 is a reliable, highly customizable rifle platform. The parts are nearly entirely interchangeable, regardless of the manufacturer. Americans love them. If the AWB never lapsed, I'd be for their being restricted. But that's not the case. With millions and millions circulating around the country, it's a whole different ballgame. The Fed has two choices when they push for an AWB: 1) No new AW's for civilians. Anything manufactured up to a certain date is grand-fathered in. 2) Ban AW's completely. No grand-fathering and no new production (except for military and LE). I doubt the Federal government would take the latter approach because if you think there are a lot of shootings now, that will increase significantly with option #2. There are many out there who will not give up what they have now. A complete AW grab (no grandfather) will cause some to go over the edge. What will the Fed do to try and satiate everyone? Offer an AWB buyback program? That would cost too much money. As some White House spokesperson just said, "It's a complex problem requiring a complex solution." On top of the Fed, there is always the wild card known as state law. Illinois portrays this perfectly. This state is neck deep in sh!tstorms caused by poor firearm legislation (stemming from corrupt anti-gun Chicago democrats). it would take a novel to detail the firearm issues at hand in IL right now that can be saved for another time.... I foresee an AWB and a high-capacity magazine ban (with grandfathering for both) being passed in the near future. Obama is not dumb and knows (at least senses) the repercussions for badly implemented policies. That is why he has treaded so carefully regarding the 2nd amendment. What am I for? Tighter restrictions. Eliminate the private sales (which bypasses a NICS background check) loophole. Make every sale and transfer go through an FFL. Keep better mental health records and have those properly linked with NICS checks. The common denominator for all of these mass shootings is mental illness. These steps would be a good start. ------------- get fragged Misery Index - Heirs To Thievery |
Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 3:22pm
An individual can acquire an automatic weapon if they are in the right state (that allows Class 3 weapons) and jump through all the ATF hoops. Or, like you stated, modify it yourself. ------------- get fragged Misery Index - Heirs To Thievery |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 4:01pm
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label me how u like deadaim, its ur opinion & ur welcome to it, but i fail to see how im being fake so feel free to indulge in a little more detail on that? i didnt say we should get rid of every gun, a total gun ban is unrealistic, i am in favor of better gun law control cuz it would help prevent **** like this.
most of the wars actually didn't start until after 1776 when the newly formed America started looking to expand. this is why alot of native americans sided with the British, because they had minimal interest in expanding and prior to the revolution, made treaties guaranteeing as much. it was also not just a US Govt effort, citizens routinely went out in hunting parties and slaughtered men women & children for little more than to see who could kill more indians. then there are events like the massacre at Wounded Knee. if u dont see this issue as prolonged genocide ur being naïve. also Guantamo is US sovereign ground, its American soil, and it has nothing to do with us being armed but it is full of severe breaches of human rights comparable to what was seen in Germany (albeit on a smaller scale) nonetheless it operates because the sheep that are the American public are told to be afraid & like good little lemmings they follow & are afraid. fear led us to intern hundreds of thousands of citizens in WW2, it led us to commit hate crimes against any arab-looking american citizen after 9/11 and still feeds into our alienating them today. if u buy a gun out of necessity (like for your livelihood) thats one thing but the fact that gun sales have soared after events like this shooting, 9/11, even Obama's re-election for god's sake...people are just scared and its pathetic really ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 5:08pm
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Deadaim >>>> Agree with him 100% on everything, not sure why everyone against him even trys to argue. Shows the difference between a realist and a closed minded home body. Think more people need to get away from the bigger cities to get a real grasp on life once in awhile. His arguements have facts.... all the rebuttals are mostly opinions. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 5:42pm
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Ok people Seph just officially declared that Deadaim is 100 % right and any attempt to voice your own opinion and thoughts on the matter is useless and makes you close-minded, because his opinion is right and yours is wrong ! So please, please stop discussing.. :P Agree with TX there, I think it's shocking to see how scared people really are, such absurd, ridiculous paranoias. I don't get why a simple handgun for your home isn't enough to fulfill your "necessity".. ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 7:23pm
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steak knives and machetes are the same too ------------- |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 8:03pm
Thanks for the insight chisoxx, this post makes the most sense to me ------------- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 9:28pm
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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 2:12am
we can sure as hell do a better job of keeping them out of the hands of potential psychopaths, and chisox already dropped a good means to get it started...
the way u sound, its almost like u think we r tryn to take all ur guns away or something, surely ull admit that like alot of things in this country there is plenty of room for improvement in laws/regulations that would help prevent these types of tragedies from recurring. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 4:45am
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So don't give guns to retards. Not a gun ban issue its a retard issue. But guess what retarded or not when someone wants something they will get it. And limiting what types of guns won't matter either. Only takes one bullet to kill someone. Doesn't matter how fast you fire it. So like I said, ban and restrict all you want, but how you going to stop a criminal from breaking the law?? What needs to be done is add more guns. Arm the teachers. Raise security. Let only teachers control the locks and window shades for every classroom. Same can be done for public event centers. Instead of looking down on firearms for criminals let's look into guns for the innocent that could help defend others. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 7:17am
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again, no one here is trying to ban guns, this keeps coming up with u so im making a point to reaffirm this here. As u & i both said before, its just not realistic, so no, no one heres saying to ban guns. now then, what im saying is the sale & distribution need to be better regulated. if cops & servicemen have to go thru psych evaluations then why not people intending to buy a gun? and it doesn't even have to be that, there is room for improvement that would help prevent situations like this in the future, even if it prevents only a few or even just 1, it could mean that 20+ kids aren't shot. i dont believe ur solution to be very realistic however, a majority of parents will not like the idea of their kids being within 20 feet of a loaded gun all day long. suppose one kid gets a hold of it & decides to 'play' with it. also, in this economy where teachers are constantly being laid off on top of the daily stresses of teaching, u really can guarantee that not 1 will snap and use that gun? its an added, unnecessary danger that at some point in time WILL cost lives, itd only be a question of when itd happen & how many lives itd cost. unless im missing something, the only downside to better regulation would be that it might be a bit more inconvenient in gettn ur guns, and maybe a few other people dont get to buy themselves a gun after the next president theyre afraid of gets elected. it would save lives, even if it was a small number, id take that anyday. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Deadaim
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 9:48am
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I graduated from a small highschool.. we had 50 kids in my graduating class... yet we had an armed police officer at my school all day every day. Not that hard... -------------
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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 9:52am
Ye my highschool had the same thing, one cop. He was an asshole but there was only one drive by shooting in my three years there. So that would create more jobs and have someone trained in firearms in case Mr. Psycho decides today is the day i kill over 20 people. -------------  |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 10:39am
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you both make some really good points... keeping children safe is job #1 for all of us... their innocent and they shouldn't be harmed or even be made to feel unsafe... i'm not sure what the best answers are, but making it tougher to get certain guns should atleast be part of the discussion... more emergency training for teachers would help... this needs to stop! its terrible and heartbreaking! i'm still praying for that whole community ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 12:11pm
My last post said nothing of people banning guns, i agreed on mental people not getting them. I said it wasn't a gun ban issue. How is my solution not realistic? you think the teacher would put the gun on his/her desk? i would imagine they would put it in a small lock box in their desk. They are doing it in Texas right now. And if the teacher might snap and use that gun then maybe our teachers needed a mental stability test as well before teaching. My arguement is why go through all the trouble when someone can get something illegal so easily anyways? Just making it more difficult for the innocent to defend themselves. Deadaim i too went to a small high school, my grad class was 26 ppl. total high school students was under 400, and we had a police officer. Mainly because over half of the kids at my school were Native Americans who liked to start **** cuz of equal rights when they were the majority. f***ing idiots. We had gun problems with them too but our Ag and Architect teachers had guns in there safes, Combine that with the police officier and they would ususally have any threat under control very quickly. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 12:52pm
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TX answered the question for me, agree 100 % And I too am still not talking about a full gun ban, still saying at least make AR's illegal, or similar weapons. You don't need that to defend yourself, and yes, people CAN get them.. but the harder it is, and it would get harder, the more unrealistic it will seem to potential lunatics to even plan something like this, might not do the greatest difference, but it will make some, and it is the right thing to do imo.. Saying it's stupid to ban them because you can still get them illegal easily is NOT an argument And I'm not even gonna comment on adding more guns, even to teachers.. Tx aid it all again Please don't take this all personal, I still think it's interesting to see how you see things, and why :P ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 1:17pm
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I agree with no ARs. I think TX and I agree we just both word things differently so somethings not matching up. I was stuck on thinking he wanted all guns banned at first but I believe I was wrong for thinking that. Obama is speaking on it right now and I agree with what he is saying for anyone else watching. I do believe in the security increase for the schools as I mentioned. But that's obviously just a strong opinion. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 2:15pm
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I hear in our news it seems to be the majority of the US that want an AR ban, is that true in your perception ? Haha yeah it is, I'm not judging you for it anyway ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 4:05pm
I just suggested this in another thread on another website. Liberals will be quaking in their boots at the thought of armed teachers (or at least one or two per school). But it is a somewhat reasonable solution. Train them, certify them, arm them, and put them back in the classrooms where they can protect the children from psychopaths. In order to appease the liberals, subject the armed teachers to yearly psychological tests in order to show they are mentally stable enough to carry concealed in the classroom. ------------- get fragged Misery Index - Heirs To Thievery |
Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 9:27pm
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armed teachers in a classroom full of kids? Really? Why not arm the kids too! Guns are the problem not the misfits of society and the solution is to add more guns! The only thing more dangerous than guns are ideas...and sorry guys but ideas like these ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 9:51pm
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Sounds like my state of South Dakota is gonna follow in Texas footsteps and offer teachers gun classes and arm a few of them. Discussing it anyways... at least I know I'm not the only one that thinks "unrealistically " ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2012 at 11:09pm
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arming teachers that already have the job of teaching don't seem like the right answer to me... why put more on the teachers? more training on what to do for the teachers and making it harder to get in schools and a police officer or 2 seems better then teachers having to double as security... they already have a tough enough job ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 3:07am
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I am definitely not saying arm every teacher, or 1/2, or 1/3, or 1/4, or 1/5. Maybe one per school. And it's not like there would be a mandate or anything forcing any teacher to carry lol. This is a free country after all, well, to an extent anyway... In regards to the arming and certifying process, let me elaborate on that to present a fuller picture. There are lots of different levels of concealed carry throughout the nation. The US Supreme Court has affirmed an individual's right to carry, yet the Federal government has enacted no CCW legislation. They leave it up to the states to decide. In less than 170 days, IL will have CCW too  Do a google search of CCW and read up (wikipedia is 1st hit) on the type of carry laws there are. There's unrestricted (AK, AZ, VT, WY), may issue, shall issue, and that's pretty much it. The Fed needs to step the f*ck up and enact legislation to override state law, and implement a uniform federally run CCW program where everyone follows the same rules. This national program should resemble a "shall issue" type setup. From wikipedia, here are the typical requirements of a shall issue state: "Typical permit requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." Yes, the hardcore conservatives and the NRA would fight this proposed legislation, but it would be a good concession for both sides. So, when I was referring to the training, certifying and arming of our teachers, I didn't mean mass boot camps across the country whupping them into Chuck Norris. I meant going through the above process (or something similar) if they so choose. It takes a level-headed person with quality training to carry competently. If I was a teacher, sign me up for a Glock 26 with an in-waistband holster. @ Trinity man, while I respect your opinion, it comes with a grain of salt simply because you are not a resident of this country. ------------- get fragged Misery Index - Heirs To Thievery |
Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 4:27am
tnx man I hear ya, I no disrespect to you or my man Seph but I'll put a little perspective on who it affects.
For the record this is no obv solution guns are ingrained in US culture but like TX and others have said less guns less killing so its a start. ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 9:53am
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So I think if we set a fund for health care programs for families with mentally anguished children , maybe we can treat the person before they become suicidal and bat **** crazy. ------------- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 12:37pm
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Or parents should just start beating their children and enforcing proper discipline again. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 1:48pm
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i will say this... i've never carried a gun... i've lived in the inner City my whole life... people aren't as bad as their made out to be on the news! a big problem is hard drugs... they make people do things they normally wouldn't do... i'm for drug free, but i don't think weed is in the same catagory as hard drugs... i've seen good people's life change drasticaly because of hard drugs... its terrible! i'm for more help for people addicted to hard drugs... getting the cost of their help down should also be done... even law abiding people make mistakes... i don't carry a gun, because i don't ever want to make a mistake and take a life... it happens with trained police officers so it could happen with anyone... i'm not saying people don't have a right to defend their self! drugs and guns are a part of society unfortunantly... i just wish they weren't! ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 2:37pm
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u dont need to beat ur children to instill discipline, and these days with the lack of decent parenting, when it does happen it usually f***s up the kid. but anyway. as far as thinkn ur solution to b unrealistic seph, all it takes is 1 incident and then people will cry outrage over why we are arming teachers. the trouble with having it in a lockbox is this: it is really only effective if u know an attack is coming. if a shooter busts in suddenly, the teachers not gnna have time to get the key, open the box, take out the gun & use it. suppose it happens in a cafeteria or playground, unless the teachers take their guns with them, they cant do a thing. if they do take their guns with them while supervising, then theres the threat a student could get their hands on it. this is a real threat too, especially for middle school & up especially in inner city schools where its common to have various gang members present. as far as the teachers snapping & using it on the kids themselves, u can test them all u want but the fact of the matter is, those types of things are usually very sudden and come with almost no warning. all it takes is the right provocation - like say being fired or falling under any number of great psychological stress which in this economy is pretty easy - and then we have a very dangerous situation on our hands. if iv realised this then theres quite a few others who have too. yes it may help avert some dangers but it also carries new dangers with it and in certain places that new danger is greater & more real. i call it unrealistic because i already know that if this was put up to vote state by state, ud have it almost completely shot down in all the states on the east coast south to Tennessee and west to Minnesota, and in the west coast too. even in the remaining states itd b a county by county issue and getting a majority yes vote will become quite a challenge. in the end i think it really only has a chance at passing in a handful of states anc thats not a national solution, hence unrealistic. in the end we all want the same thing, we just have different ways of getting it. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 10:11pm
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I was beat and I turned out great.... just sayin' ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 11:29pm
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I was spanked when I was younger, I'm not here crying abuse.. every time I got hit I f***ing deserved it. Well.. except once when I got blamed for wrecking my sisters puzzle but it was the cat who did it.. makes for a great story now a days haha. My nephew gets away with calling his mom dumb and stupid, if I called my mom that, even now.. out comes that wooden spoon. ------------- |
Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 12:57am
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Yes my "sister in laws" 10 yr old boy told her to suck his balls right in front of me two weeks ago, she didn't do **** about it..... i remember when i told my mom shes a b**** when i was 12.... my dad hit me with a belt till i couldn't even speak or whimper anymore.... never called her a b**** again and still have more respect for my dad than anything and always will.... don't be scared to discipline your children, and i dont mean tell them NO. i mean smack them..... kids are f***ing spoiled these days and have no respect for anyone cuz they know they dont have to since there is no consequence. ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 3:05am
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was never beaten or spanked, and i turned out great too lol...just sayin consequence & responsibility can be taught a number of ways. if u get someone not to do something for fear of a punishment, well that fear can always dwindle or can be avoided if nvr caught. if u get someone not to do something because uv instilled in them the belief that its wrong, well personal beliefs aren't as easily cast aside as fear, but done properly both work. i think another factor was that in the past when hitting was common, the communities also took a much more active role in looking out 4 the kids. like they say...it takes a village. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 3:33am
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You needed to be beat ------------- aka - priebe69, DEEP_BrokeBack, GOW_AftaBirth |
Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 3:52am
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lol why? ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 10:02am
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My school has no armed police officers. ------------- im tired. |