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Supreme_Venom 
Team KmA 
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 856 |
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 Topic: Super-Sized Clan & CompetitionPosted: 01 Sep 2009 at 4:09pm |
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Hey I don't want to start anything bad or blame anyone for anything, just want to try and raise awareness about what I think is causing the low competition scene in UT3..
And I want to hear what other players think about this, since competition is the heart, the soul, the "Spark" which is the only thing that can bring UT3 back out of its coma..
The problem?
I have to say its the Supersized clans as #1.. Lots being inactive, being to big which is consuming the whole player market and most of them hardly do any Scrims/ Clan battles and IF they do its mostly against the same clan again..
Another problem are these Sub clans which are part of or connected to another clan, which create more inactive and useless space..
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What I think has to change to make this happen is to change the attitude with this Supersizes-Clans and Double/Sub/ Extra/Buddy/ Whatever Clans
Try to really think about your clan and its activity, I know some clans won't rest until the last member left, but try to be real about the situation, admitting is the first step! Sometimes its better to stop and leave a clan in its glory and last remaining dignity.
As a clan try to put a limit on the amount of players, because if every clan consumes 15 - 30+ players then whats going to happen to other clans? *This is one of the biggest factors that is destroying the competition*
Its simple = Huge 15-30+ Clans consumes a big chunk of the Players Market > Effecting the amount of clans you can have competition with because all the (Good) players are already consumed by the big clans and wiping out any possibility for new clans with potential to grow and create competition.
Of course there are more reasons that destroyed competition, for example: Non-dedicated players, players that don't show up at scheduled battles. (I'm not saying you should sacrifise your social life, but if you agreed showing up at something scheduled then do it or reather say NO, because its frustrating to see scheduled battles and with no1 to show up. Wasting the time of players that ARE dedicated and willing to create competition..
This is has nothing to do with social life or anything, you have time to play pubs or bullsh1t around so you have time to make something work as well..
Also I heard rumors of Deadaim wanting to bring back a clan with former qM members, which I think is great, they have proofen to be one of the last dedicated players out there, and they still are able to proof it. Just like FnA & tRi used to be.
And to round this up, I hereby apologise about the negative things I have said about Paw and some other qM members.. Altough Pawweezy did say some bad stuff which I still dont think is cool, he and other qM members actually care about the competition.. and probably why he and some other got frustrated on other poeple is because they realised how worse it has gotten with everything.
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Pinnacle
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 4:31pm |
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Venom, I see your point, but perhaps there is a different angle to it. I will use ckc as an example. We have 14 players on our roster, of which 11 are fully active and 3 are a phone call away. We do not recruit, are not looking for talent, but are a group of PSN friends that player together.
I understand the goal of expanding the competition of this game. I have been all for it from day 1. However, a team of players up to 15 has major advantages to promoting competition. Back in the day, clan battles were 8 vs. 8. Then they suddenly dropped to 5 vs. 5, 4 vs. 4, etc. In the vehicle modes, the cherry number is about 6 vs. 6. However, it is very difficult to have all 14 players online on a given day at a specified time. To ensure that the match is not posponed, we usually gaurentee that 8 will show. That allows everyone on the team some latitude with their own lives. If we only had 5-6 players and had a match set up and 2 did not show due to last minute obligations, then the match is postposned. How do we solve this, except to have a few more players?
I am a firm believer that teams should not simply recruit a player for talent purposes only. Win/Lose, it really makes absolutely no difference, since we are not playing for anything, a trophy, money, prize, etc. Don't get me wrong, we all love winning, but it's more about having fun, than just having the claim that you beat abother team. Therefore, I have always believed that the team should be a group of friends, not necessariy the based on talent. ckc is not only about UT3. The whole team plays R2, LBP and many other games together on a daily basis. If ckc was simply about talent, I probably would not be on the roster. But since those 14 players are the ones I play with day in and day out, it was only natural to come together and join a group named ckc.
I can't speak for other teams, since everyone's goal is different, but your point is well taken. However, I would also encourage most teams to think outside the "known" players and look at some of the fresh talent that has been online. Just the other day I was playing with a player who just picked up this game 2 weeks ago. Although he had no clue as to what to do in warfare, the guy was a killing machine. He asked a few questions and by the end of the match, he had picked up on the basics. I expect this kid will become a great player. He did really well and with some guidance from you veterans, these players may be the new crop of beasts.
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_EnVy_
Team Deep Ground
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Da FN TOP OBV Online Status: Offline Posts: 2035 |
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:11pm |
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if you were trying all these years to make a name for your self, the first think you would try and do is hop on their nuts too. thats the way it goes...
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sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |
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Two_Fase
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well where do i start..........i believe iAM is one of the supersized clans you're referring to.
1. we are willing to play any mode 2. everyone in iAM has at least 1 or more games we play with each other 3. I HAVE AN OPEN CHALLENGE THREAD IN WHICH I CHALLENGED ANY TEAM THAT WE HAVE NOT PLAYED IN ANY GIVEN MODE. NO RESPONSE 4. 90% of my roster is on and active so i'd have to COMPLETELY DISAGREE |
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Do_Or_Die_420
AdReNaLiNe RuSh
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:20pm |
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A-R doesnt have no problems with being a bigger clan....No one has ever b!tched about playin time or needing to get their shine on. I've made it clear to everyone in this clan they're free to leave anytime they want. No one is holdin a gun to their head & we wont get butthurt if they wanna run wit a different clan. Do what's best for you & dont worry about anyone else. No clan is the same as the next. Every clan is filled with talented players & chill ppl who click & have fun playing this game. Once you stop having fun in this game you should put it aside & move along. |
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RemY
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:25pm |
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imo if teams had 7 - 8 man roster, there would be more teams and more competition. Do separate squads similar to the original. CoD4 on GB had same teams with different rosters ex: FeaR and FeaR CA were the same team but had a different squad they rolled with.
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iAM_NotImpressed
Team iAM
iAM Warfare Co-Captain Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Location: OC in CA Online Status: Offline Posts: 156 |
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:25pm |
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all clans suck balls.
discuss.
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The worst of the best.
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Two_Fase
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:33pm |
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i got a vctf squad and a warfare squad |
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AdReNaLiNe RuSh
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:34pm |
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Sounds like you're living the Boss Life....
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_EnVy_
Team Deep Ground
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:35pm |
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the big clans i think do swallow up all the potential of clan matches. either there should be just 2 super clans, or lots of 4-8 member clans. this would help out ladders and offer better clan match play. not these d*** riding team stacking clans they totally f*** **** up/
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sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |
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Two_Fase
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ENVY not to rain on your parade but you didn't complain when you were apart of iAM. and i believe we were still active as active can be right? please correct me if i'm wrong |
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iAM_NotImpressed
Team iAM
iAM Warfare Co-Captain Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Location: OC in CA Online Status: Offline Posts: 156 |
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:40pm |
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hold on. i didn't sign up for any d-ick riding. d-ick riding is not in my iAM contract.
i'm on strike until my dental benefits are paid.
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The worst of the best.
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SilverJ-17
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Silver Coinage Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Location: Western Indiana Online Status: Offline Posts: 1447 |
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:45pm |
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Well, at least someone has gotten something from this, me. Considering how uninvolved I am anymore, among other things, I've decided to leave DEEP/ Heavenly and pursue either a smaller clan or making TN-B (The New-Bs) more than just a 2v2 team. I really enjoyed being a part of Heavenly, but I feel that I might be of use elsewhere (like a smaller clan), so in the spirit of the game, I've decided to look for other options.
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Two_Fase
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nah we don't ride like that. we role deep in other areas. ask kayotic, he has a little army over there |
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Pinnacle
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Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 6:46pm |
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There are 27 "active" clans on this site, not including some that are subdivisions of others. I don't see the problem. If someone wants a match with another team, then just go to their leader and ask them. Isn't it that simple? Everyone started at ground zero in this game, so if the bigger/badder teams are scaring some people, then just challenge the smaller teams and practice until you beat them.
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Two_Fase
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ReverendCrow
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ReverendCrow
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Pinnacle
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Crow, I get what you're saying, but we've had the same motto since June 2008. Nothing has changed. The first match ckc ever had was against a well organized SMP. This is the day after I joined ckc in June 2008. Did we know we were going to lose? Yes, but we played to get better and have fun with the group. We have never missed a match and never cared whether we won or lost. Anyone can win on any given day. We've practiced with team to help them get better. We've helped out individual players, etc. My point is not that anyone should shy away from playing. My point was that people shouldn't shy away because they feel their team may get beat. I think we are on the same page with this. Like PcX, we've always actively tried to set up matches, friendlies, etc. Some teams show up, some say yes, some say no. For example, we had a match scheduled against MEGA last weekend and one of their players didn't show. Instead of canceling, we agreed to have it this coming weekend. We are not even a foot mode team, but it will be fun having the challenge of some of the best ctf players like, Veda, Rican, etc. |
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Pinnacle
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Ok, I see the point you are making. I see a bigger issue at hand. The problem with playing a team like qM isn't that they are not the best at ctf and will destroy any team. It's that when asked about a match, they say they only play ctf. So if there is a vehicle-centric team that is willing to play, shouldn't it be fair that all the modes that both teams play get played?
If qM would like an honest challenge, I'm willing to accept that. We would be willing to play ctf and tdm, with the understanding that they play warfare and vctf. I thing this would provide an honest challenge on both sides. We are learning ctf and tdm and if I'm not mistaken they are trying to improve in the vehicle modes.
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INCReMENTAL
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Wrong qM said they play anymode, anytime. And no qM wasnt just the best at CTF, qM was the best at all foot modes and could damn near learn anymode to become dominant. The fact was no one excepted the challenge n the beginning. PERIOD>>>>>>......
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Supreme_Venom
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I knew the friends & just for fun factor ace card was gonna be used.. there isn't much I can say about it.. except for this:
How can you have fun the whole time if there is nothing serious to work for once in a while? Thats like saying "we are always on a vacation" How can it be a vacation if you never go to work?
Then explain me why competition is nowhere in sight? It's a fact you can't deny, if this isn't causing it then what it?
You can't possibly tell me you enjoy doing clanbattles with the same clans over and over or totally slaughtering newbie clans?
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NecroBeestiality
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Ooops! You forgot this.....  Ahhh sorry I couldn't resist. |
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NecroBeestiality
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If you took all the clans, added up all the people in them, then broke those people into groups of 8......well I don't even know if that would work out to more clans then we have now cuz of all the small clans but lets just say it made lots of new clans. Excuse the gigantic run-on.
Lets also say that most of these clans were made of people that got along and had compatible personalities. Would there be more action? I think so, especially if the skill was distributed conisistently. But that is never going to happen.....the conclusions I am reaching here are pretty simple and easy to reach. It is pretty obvious many people in large clans are willing to trade action for comradery. You can make judgements or state opinions about it but why else would big clans who never get matches stay together? They like being a brotherhood and I am not referring to AR or any one clan. No one is stopping anyone from breaking up their clans for smaller ones. Big clans stay big clans because they want to. You can call it the the death of competition or the death of the game. By the looks (I speculate) of their private threads and the fact they big clans stay in tact I am guessing they call it fun. |
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